What is the correct way to express half of two plus two?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the phrase "half of two plus two" and how it can be expressed mathematically. Participants explore the ambiguity in language and mathematical notation, considering different interpretations and the implications of order of operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "half of two plus two" could mean either half of the sum (2+2) or half of 2 plus 2, leading to different results (2 or 3).
  • One participant suggests that the lack of parentheses makes the expression unambiguous, interpreting it as 1/2 x 2 + 2, which equals 3.
  • Another participant emphasizes that language is inherently ambiguous, and without clear mathematical notation, the intended meaning cannot be definitively known.
  • Some participants reference the order of operations, with one stating that they were taught 'DMAS' (Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction) and argue that this leads to the conclusion of 3.
  • There is a mention of differing educational approaches to order of operations, with some citing 'MDAS' or 'PEMDAS' as the correct order, adding to the complexity of the discussion.
  • A later reply reiterates the ambiguity of the phrase, suggesting that many people might interpret it differently based on their understanding of grammar and mathematical conventions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of "half of two plus two." Multiple competing views remain, with some asserting that it is 3 based on order of operations, while others maintain that the phrase is ambiguous without further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of language in conveying mathematical expressions and the dependence on individual interpretations of order of operations. There is also an acknowledgment that different educational backgrounds may influence how participants approach the problem.

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When someone says "half of two plus two", what are they referring to?

A) Half of 2+2
= (Half of 2) + 2
= (1) + 2
= 3

B) Half of 2+2
= Half of (2+2)
= (.5)(4)
= 2

Which answer is the correct way to express "half of two plus two"?
 
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We don't know. This is why we have mathematical notation; language is ambiguous. Presumable they're referring to \frac{(2 + 2)}{2}, but we have no way to be sure.
 
I believe it's A, but Number Nine's right. We have no way to be sure...
 
Technically the correct answer is 3.

It is not ambiguous; there are no brackets or parentheses, only arithmetical operators. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations#Easy_Remembering" rule tells us to apply multipliers first then adders.The word "of" is english-speak for "multiply" (eg.: "1/2 of 10" is synonymous with "1/2 x 10" ).Since the question is 1/2 x 2 + 2, the order of operations is:
1/2 x 2 = 1
+ 2 = 3However, if I were a betting man, and this were a fair game (no tricks), and were asked to bet on which one the person meant when they said this (it was spoken after all) , I would bet on 4.
 
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I was taught, at an early age, ' DMAS ' was the rule.

In any 'unbracketed' function, it always goes division first, then multiplication, add, then subtract.

It is, therefore, 3.

With that rule, you can freely write, for example, A+B/2 and it unambiguously means [A]+[B/2], or 3-1+2=4.
 
cmb said:
I was taught, at an early age, ' DMAS ' was the rule.

In any 'unbracketed' function, it always goes division first, then multiplication, add, then subtract.

It is, therefore, 3.

With that rule, you can freely write, for example, A+B/2 and it unambiguously means [A]+[B/2], or 3-1+2=4.

This isn't a issue of orders of operation, it's a language issue. The fact it, someone saying "half of two plus two" is ambiguous unless you have certain knowledge that they have considered the order of operations when formulating the sentence. Grammar and pragmatism are different things, and plenty of people would say "half of two plus two" to mean half of the sum of two and two.
 
cmb said:
I was taught, at an early age, ' DMAS ' was the rule.

In any 'unbracketed' function, it always goes division first, then multiplication, add, then subtract.
Wiki says it is MDAS (PEMDAS). That's what I was taught. Multiply then divide.

For for this question, it is moot.
 
riaudo said:
When someone says "half of two plus two", what are they referring to?

A) Half of 2+2
= (Half of 2) + 2
= (1) + 2
= 3

B) Half of 2+2
= Half of (2+2)
= (.5)(4)
= 2

Which answer is the correct way to express "half of two plus two"?

Please see this stickie thread at the top of this General Math forum:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=494675

That and the language issue discussed in this thread should help you understand.
 

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