What is the difference between log and ln?

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The discussion centers on the differences between the logarithmic functions "log" and "ln," exploring their definitions, notational conventions, and contexts of use in various mathematical fields, including pre-calculus, calculus, and computer science.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in one convention, \(\ln(x)=\log_{e}(x)\) and \(\log(x)=\log_{10}(x)\) is common in pre-calculus and elementary calculus courses.
  • Others mention that in another convention, \(\log(x)=\log_{e}(x)\) is often used, particularly in analysis, while \(\ln\) is also recognized.
  • It is pointed out that in computer science, \(\log(x)\) may refer to \(\log_{2}(x)\), indicating that the meaning of "log" can vary based on context.
  • One participant explains that \(\ln(x)\) has a simpler differentiation rule compared to \(\log_{10}(x)\), which involves a constant factor, suggesting a reason for its preference in higher-level courses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of multiple conventions for the notation of logarithms, but there is no consensus on which convention is superior or universally applicable.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on context for the interpretation of "log," and the varying conventions may lead to confusion without clear definitions.

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In simple words, what is the difference between log and ln?
 
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In one notational convention:

$$\ln(x)=\log_{e}(x)$$

$$\log(x)=\log_{10}(x)$$

This is typically what you see in pre-calculus and elementary calculus courses.

In another convention:

$$\log(x)=\log_{e}(x)$$

This is what you'll find at W|A (but it will recognize ln as well). When you get into analysis, this is what you'll likely find used there.

In computer science, you may see:

$$\log(x)=\log_{2}(x)$$

So, it really depends on the context...and the notation "log" often means the most commonly used base in that particular environment.
 
MarkFL said:
In one notational convention:

$$\ln(x)=\log_{e}(x)$$

$$\log(x)=\log_{10}(x)$$

This is typically what you see in pre-calculus and elementary calculus courses.

In another convention:

$$\log(x)=\log_{e}(x)$$

This is what you'll find at W|A (but it will recognize ln as well). When you get into analysis, this is what you'll likely find used there.

In computer science, you may see:

$$\log(x)=\log_{2}(x)$$

So, it really depends on the context...and the notation "log" often means the most commonly used base in that particular environment.

Good information.
 
The reason why "[math]\log(x)= \ln(x)[/math]" in higher courses (calculus and beyond) and "[math]\log_{10}(x)[/math]" is just dropped is that [math]\ln(x)[/math] satisfies the simple differentiation rule [math]\frac{d\ln(x)}{dx}= \frac{1}{x}[/math] while if the base is 10, [math]\frac{d \log_{10}(x)}{dx}= \frac{1}{\ln(10)x}[/math].
 

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