What is the difference between "Strong" and "Stiff"?

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The discussion centers on the distinction between "strong" and "stiff" in materials science, particularly in a chemistry context. Participants explore whether a material can be strong without being stiff or vice versa, and they provide examples to illustrate their points.

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  • Some participants suggest that stiffness relates to the amount of deformation under applied stress, while strength refers to the stress values at which failure or permanent deformation occurs.
  • One participant notes that concrete has high compressive strength but is not very stiff, as it can easily crumble under certain conditions.
  • Another participant humorously contrasts the terms "strong" and "stiff" in the context of drinks, suggesting that the terms can have different meanings outside of materials science.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of the terms to different contexts, indicating that they may not be directly comparable.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of "strong" and "stiff." Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding examples and contexts in which these terms apply.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity in definitions and the potential for confusion when applying these terms across different contexts, such as materials versus beverages.

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Sometimes I see people saying that a material is strong and stiff and ...

What is the difference between strong and stiff in the chemistry sense?

Could it be strong but not stiff or stiff but not strong?
 
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I'll let someone else give a more formal/chemical assessment, however the stiffness of a material relates to how much deformation occurs given an applied stress, whilst strength refers to the value of stress at certain reference points: i.e. ultimate tensile strength being the stress at which failure occurs, yield strength being the stress above which permanent deformation occurs, etc.

The Young's modulus of a material is a measure of stiffness, specifically it is a ratio of stress against strain.
kenny1999 said:
Could it be strong but not stiff or stiff but not strong?

Yes, I believe so.
 
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kenny1999 said:
Could it be strong but not stiff or stiff but not strong?
Concrete has incredibly high compressive strength, but it is relatively easy to torque off a chunk.

You could stand on concrete just a couple of inches thick, but that same thickness, if you picked it up, would easily crumble in your hands.


(Actually, I don't think that's what constitutes "stiffness").
 
When I saw the title of the thread I thought it would be about alcohol. As in a strong drink against a stiff drink.
 
PeroK said:
As in a strong drink against a stiff drink.
strong: straight liquor
stiff drink: a smoothie (more resistant to flow)
 
I am afraid it is apples and oranges.
 
Borek said:
I am afraid it is apples and oranges.
Welllll, a screwdriver can be made both strong and stiff, but an Appletini is neither.

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