What is the displacement vector needed to reach a research station on a safari?

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The problem involves determining the displacement vector required to reach a research station located 6.49 km away at an angle of 38.5° north of east, after a team has traveled 1.91 km at an incorrect angle of 14.3° north of east. Participants are exploring the calculations needed for both the magnitude and direction of the remaining displacement vector.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using vector components to find the resultant displacement, with some expressing confusion about the calculations for both magnitude and angle. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the vectors involved and the need to account for the angles correctly.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on visualizing the problem with vectors and checking calculations, while others are still grappling with the angle and magnitude of the displacement. There is acknowledgment of differing results and confusion about the correctness of certain values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the magnitude calculated and the values provided by their homework program, leading to questions about the accuracy of their approaches. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty regarding the vector components and their implications.

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Hello all! I've been struggling with this problem for a couple of hours and I just can't seem to wrap my head around on how to do it. Here it is:

1. On a safari, a team of naturalists sets out toward a research station located 6.49 km away in a direction 38.5 ° north of east. After traveling in a straight line for 1.91 km, they stop and discover that they have been traveling 14.3 ° north of east, because their guide misread his compass. What are (a) the magnitude and (b) the direction (as a positive angle relative to due east) of the displacement vector now required to bring the team to the research station?I've attempted the question and found the magnitude to be 4.58 km. The angle, however, I can't seem to get. If someone can explain how to get both the magnitude and the angle I would appreciate it very much. The way I found the magnitude was just subtracting the final destination by the distance traveled. I'm not sure this is how it's done.
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I tried the standard way to get the resultant, but this didn't work for either the magnitude or the angle. I tried finding the x component and y component with the function
x comp = ( 6.49 x Cos 38.5 ) + ( 1.91 x Cos 14.3 )
y comp = ( 6.49 x Sin 38.5 ) + ( 1.91 x Sin 14.3 )

I hope I gave enough information to help someone help me. I really want to learn so a full explanation would be very appreciate. Thanks!
 
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It may help to draw a picture. Pay attention to signs.

HowFarWe'veCome + HowFarWe'veYetToGo = HowFarWeWillHaveGone.
 
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Hey there! Your approach with components is on the right track, but slightly off. And the distance left won't quite be 4.58 km -- that would be if they traveled in a straight line toward the destination, but since they were at an angle, it will actually be a greater distance for them to travel. Think of the problem in terms of three vectors: the vector from the start to the station (1), the vector from the start to where they stopped after going 1.91 km (2), and the vector from there to the station (3 -- the one you're solving for). Vectors 2 and 3 must add up to vector 1, and you know the components of vectors 1 and 2. Try solving for the components of vector 3 from there.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
It may help to draw a picture. Pay attention to signs.

HowFarWe'veCome + HowFarWe'veYetToGo = HowFarWeWillHaveGone.
That was actually the first thing I did. That's actually how I kinda assumed the magnitude to be 4.58km. The angle however, is a mystery to me.
 
jackarms said:
Hey there! Your approach with components is on the right track, but slightly off. And the distance left won't quite be 4.58 km -- that would be if they traveled in a straight line toward the destination, but since they were at an angle, it will actually be a greater distance for them to travel. Think of the problem in terms of three vectors: the vector from the start to the station (1), the vector from the start to where they stopped after going 1.91 km (2), and the vector from there to the station (3 -- the one you're solving for). Vectors 2 and 3 must add up to vector 1, and you know the components of vectors 1 and 2. Try solving for the components of vector 3 from there.
Thanks for the help! I seem to be having another problem arise with my original magnitude I found. I see why 4.58km wouldn't work in this situation, but the program we use for homework is counting this correct. Any ideas why? I feel like my magnitude should be larger.

Also, the angle to get from where they stopped after going 1.91km to the final destination is completely confusing me. At this point, I'm not sure how to even begin :confused:
 
Nyxious said:
That was actually the first thing I did. That's actually how I kinda assumed the magnitude to be 4.58km. The angle however, is a mystery to me.

The equation you wrote down does not match what you say you did though.
 
jbriggs444 said:
The equation you wrote down does not match what you say you did though.
I know, i said the way I did it did not work with getting the magnitude. I went back and found a magnitude of 8.269km which was incorrect, and then i tried subtracting the components and got 4.8120km, which is close to what i got when I just subtracted the final destination (6.49km) and the distance already traveled (1.91km), which was 4.58km. Apparently the site is counting the 4.58km right, which I'm not sure why. The angle is still a problem also.
 
Okay, I went back and did everything again and here is what I got:
C (or the distance remaining to get to the research lab) = 4.8120km
The angle = 47.9°

Can someone check to see if they got the same or if I'm still missing something?EDIT: Got it correct. Thanks for the help guys!
 
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