What Is the Effective Target Area per Argon Atom?

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The problem involves calculating the effective target area per argon atom based on the intensity reduction of a K atom beam after passing through a layer of Ar gas. The context includes concepts from gas physics and atomic interactions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the cross section of argon and the effective target area, with attempts to use the transmission equation and mean free path concepts. Questions arise regarding the conversion of pressure to density and the calculation of number density without temperature or volume information.

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Some participants have identified a potential oversight regarding temperature assumptions, while others explore the ideal gas law to derive the number density. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in converting pressure to density and the implications for the calculations involved.

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Participants note the lack of temperature information in the problem statement and its impact on calculations. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct approach to derive necessary values from the given data.

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Homework Statement


The intensity of a collimated, parallel beam of K atoms is reduced 3.0% by a layer of Ar gas 1.0 mm thick at a pressure of 6.0 x 10^-4 mmHg. Calculate the effective target area per argon atom. (this is B-4 from "introductory exercises in physics")


Homework Equations


I've been trying transmission T = I/I naught = e^(-x/l)
Where x is 1mm, T is .97, and l is the mean free path which includes the cross section.


The Attempt at a Solution


Im assuming the cross section of argon is the same thing as the effective target area per argon atom they are asking for, so I solve for that. I use l = {(2^.5) A n}^-1. A is the area I am looking for and n is the number of molecules per volume. To get n I convert the pressure given into molecules/volume. Not sure why but I can't seem to get anything close to the stated answer of 1.4 x 10^-14 cm^2.
 
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The problem with the above is that I was incorrectly converting pressure to g/cm^3. I thought that, given the definition of mmHg as "The millimeter of mercury (symbol: mmHg) is defined as the pressure exerted at the base of a column of fluid exactly 1 mm high, when the density of the fluid is exactly 13.5951 g/cm3, at a place where the acceleration of gravity is exactly 9.80665 m/s2" I could just do a ratio like 1/13.5951 = 6x10^-4/x where x is the density. Not sure why this doesn't work, but every other step in the solution is pretty trivial so...

I suppose my real problem is not being able to find molecules/volume with only the information supplied by the text. Is there any way to get density with neither temperature nor volume?
 
Yep, I am sure this is the right path to a solution. I just don't know how to find n in the following formula from what is given. Any ideas?

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Well, after all this, the solution was pretty trivial. Big thing I overlooked for a long time was just to assume the temperature of the gas to be 0 C. I thought since the density I was calculating was different the temperature had to be as well, but I guess that's not the case. Using the ideal gas law to solve for n, the number density, gives

P = pRT/M

Where P is pressure, p is density, R is gas constant, M is molar mass. But p is also

p = nM/N

Where n is number density, and N is avogadro's number. So, solving for n

n = P / kT

Using .08 Pa for P and 273 K for T gives an n which then works in the formula

Probability of hit = ns dx

Where s is the cross section, dx is .1 cm, Probability is the given 3%. All this gives the right answer.

I guess I couldve also just solved it algebraically like

s = ProbkT/Pdx

Well, I learned a lot on the side from this anyways...
 

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