Calculating Number of O2 and N2 molecules per m^3 of air

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of O2 and N2 molecules in a cubic meter of air at a specified temperature and pressure, as well as determining the mass of a larger volume of this air. The subject area includes gas laws and molecular weights.

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  • Participants explore the application of the ideal gas law to find the number of moles of air and subsequently the number of molecules of nitrogen and oxygen. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of 'n' in the ideal gas equation, specifically whether it refers to moles of molecules or moles of atoms.

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Some participants provide clarifications about the ideal gas law and the calculation methods. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculating the number of molecules and the mass of air, with participants revisiting their calculations based on feedback. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, and some participants express uncertainty about their previous calculations.

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Participants assume a composition of 75% N2 and 25% O2 in air, and there are references to specific values for molar masses and constants used in calculations. The discussion includes acknowledgment of potential errors in initial calculations and the need for verification of results.

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Homework Statement


Part A: Calculate how many mocules per cubic metre in air at 27°C and at a pressure of 1.1 atm (1atm is 1.01 x 10^5)

Part B: What is mass in grams of 2.4m^3 of this air.

Assume that 75% of the air is N2 (with molar mass of 28 g/mol) and 25% O2 (with molar mass of 32 g/mol)

Homework Equations


PV=nRT

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the equation above, I solved for n, which I took it to mean the number of moles of air.

<br /> n=\frac{PV}{RT}=\frac{(1.1 \times 1.01 \times 10^5)(1)}{8.315 \times (273.15 + 27)} = 44.515<br />

So then to work out for Nitrogen I found 75% of 44.515, which is 33.39 then multipled that by avagaros number to get the number of atoms, then divided by 2 to get the number of N2 molecules.

<br /> (44.515)(0.75)=33.39 \\<br /> 33.39 \times 6.02 \times 10^{23} = 2.01 \times 10^{25} \,\,\, atoms \\<br /> 2.01 \times 10^{25} \times 0.5 =1.004 \times 10^{25} ,\,\,\ molecules<br />

Then did exactly the same process but for oxygen, using 44.515*0.25 and got a number of 3.35 x 10^24 molecules of O2.

Then for Part B:

I multiplied the number of N2 molecules in 1m^3 by 2.4 to get how many there would be in 2.4m^3, and then multiplied that by 28u to get the weight in Kg. Did the same process for the oxygen, and then added them together.

For N2
<br /> (1.004 \times 10^{25})(2.4)=2.4096 \times 10^{25} \,\,\, molecules \\<br /> (2.4096 \times 10^{25})(28 \times 1.66 \times 10^{-27})=1.12 kg<br />

For O2
<br /> (3.3498 \times 10^{24})(2.4) = 8.3952 \times 10^{24} \,\,\,\, molecules \\<br /> (8.3952 \times 10^{24})(32 \times 1.66 \times 10^{-27}) = 0.45 kg<br />

Therefore total mass in 2.4m^3 in grams
<br /> 1120+450 = 1570g<br />
 
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FaraDazed said:
So then to work out for Nitrogen I found 75% of 44.515, which is 33.39 then multipled that by avagaros number to get the number of atoms, then divided by 2 to get the number of N2 molecules.
Why do you assume that ##n## in the ideal gas equation of state is the number of moles of atoms in the gas?
 
DrClaude said:
Why do you assume that ##n## in the ideal gas equation of state is the number of moles of atoms in the gas?
Because that is what i thought the 'n' represented in the equation PV=nRT , the number of moles of the gas in question (in this case, air) , am I mistaken?

I meant, that n is the number of moles of air, which in this question assumes is made up of 75% N2 and 25% O2
 
In the ideal gas law, n is the number of moles of molecules, not the number of moles of atoms. DrClaude was trying to hint to you that you shouldn't have divided by 2.

In part B, how many gram moles of air are there in 2.4 m3 of this gas? What is the weighted average molecular weight of air, given that it is 75% N2 and 25% O2?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
In the ideal gas law, n is the number of moles of molecules, not the number of moles of atoms. DrClaude was trying to hint to you that you shouldn't have divided by 2.

In part B, how many gram moles of air are there in 2.4 m3 of this gas? What is the weighted average molecular weight of air, given that it is 75% N2 and 25% O2?

Chet
Ah right, thanks. Yeah I was a bit unsure of that bit, whether it gave the number of atoms or number of molecules. I will have another go at it tomorrow now :)
 
For N2
<br /> (44.515)(0.75)=33.39 \\<br /> 33.39 \times 6.02 \times 10^{23} = 2.01 \times 10^{25} \,\,\, molecules \\<br />

<br /> (44.515)(0.25)=11.13 \\<br /> 11.13 \times 6.02 \times 10^{23} = 6.7 \times 10^{24} \,\,\, molecules \\<br />
Chestermiller said:
In part B, how many gram moles of air are there in 2.4 m3 of this gas? What is the weighted average molecular weight of air, given that it is 75% N2 and 25% O2?

Chet

So I know my values for the amount of molecules was wrong first time around, but my method for part B was also wrong?

The average molecular weight of air would be 29g/mol. But if my answer for the number of O2/N2 molecules is now correct, I have already taken into account the fact its 75:25 when calculating the number of molecules.

I will go ahead and do the same but with my new values, just in case it is correct.

For N2
<br /> (2.4)(2.01 \times 10^{25})= 4.824 \times 10^{25} \,\,\,\, molcules / 2.4m^3 \,\,\, of \,\,\,\, air \\<br /> (4.824 \times 10^{25})(28 \times 1.66 \times 10^{-27}) = 2.242 kg = 2242g<br />

For O2
<br /> (2.4)(6.7 \times 10^{24}) = 1.608 \times 10^{25} molcules / 2.4m^3 \,\,\, of \,\,\,\, air \\<br /> (1.608 \times 10^{25})(32 \times 1.66 \times 10^{-27}) = 0.854 kg = 854g<br />

Therefore total weight is 854+2242=3096g . Even though I know that air actually weights more than most people think, I do think my value is a bit too high.

Appreciate any help, thanks :)
 
FaraDazed said:
Therefore total weight is 854+2242=3096g . Even though I know that air actually weights more than most people think, I do think my value is a bit too high.
That number is correct.
 
DrClaude said:
That number is correct.

Thanks for the confirmation. Its put my mind to rest :)
 
FaraDazed said:
Thanks for the confirmation. Its put my mind to rest :)
A simpler way of doing it is: (44.5)(2.4)(29)=3097 grams

Chet
 

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