What Is the Electric Field Strength in a Geiger Counter?

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The problem involves calculating the electric field strength in a Geiger counter, which consists of a metal cylinder and a wire along its axis. The original poster provides dimensions and voltage but seeks clarification on how to determine the distance necessary for the calculation.

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  • The original poster attempts to use the formula for electric field strength but is uncertain about how to find the distance between the wire and the cylinder. Participants discuss the relevance of the length of the wire and the cylinder, questioning whether it affects the electric field.

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Participants are exploring the relationship between the dimensions of the Geiger counter and the electric field calculation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the distance between the wire and the cylinder, but there is no explicit consensus on the method to determine the necessary distance.

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The original poster expresses a lack of information regarding the distance between the wire and the cylinder, which is critical for solving the problem. There is also uncertainty about the implications of the dimensions provided in the homework statement.

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Homework Statement


A Geiger counter consists of a metal cylinder 2.0 cm in diameter along whose axis is stetched a wire 0.013 cm in diameter. If 850 volts are supplied between them, what is the electric field strength at the surface of a) the wire and b) the cylinder?

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the formula v=-E*d
v=voltage
E=electric field
d= distance between the charges where we are looking for potential difference
since I am given v
so, 850=-E*d
the problem also provides the diameter for both cylinder and wire, I can use them to get the length if I know either the area or volume for both of them. However, I don't, so is there any other way to get the length for both objects to solve for electric field?

Thank you very much
 
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The field is just between the inside wire and the outside cylinder - the length doesn't matter, it shoudl be the same field at any point along their length.

Whats the distance between the wires?
 


mgb_phys said:
The field is just between the inside wire and the outside cylinder - the length doesn't matter, it shoudl be the same field at any point along their length.

Whats the distance between the wires?

Sorry, I don't know, I have typed everything on the question
That is why I want to solve for the length of the wire and the cylinder so i can use that as distance(I am not really sure whether it's right or not...)
Then if I don't know the distance between the wires is there any other method to solve the problem?
 


A Geiger counter is a tube (a hollow cylinder) with a wire down the middle along the axis.
So it's just the distance from the surface of the wire own the middle to the outside tube.
 


mgb_phys said:
A Geiger counter is a tube (a hollow cylinder) with a wire down the middle along the axis.
So it's just the distance from the surface of the wire own the middle to the outside tube.

Then the distance is just the diameter of the cylinder minus the diameter of the wire 2-0.013=1.987
and divide the distance with voltage to get electric field
 


yes,
Roughly it's just the radius of the outer cylinder
 


mgb_phys said:
yes,
Roughly it's just the radius of the outer cylinder

Therefore, the distance is 1-0.013
Sorry, I don't quite get it, why is it the distance we are looking for? Can you expain it briefly. Thank you
 


Electric field is voltage/distance = V/m
 

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