What Is the Empty Space into Which the Universe Expands?

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The discussion centers on the concept of the universe's expansion and what, if anything, lies beyond it. Participants explore the idea that the universe may not be expanding into an empty space but is instead creating space as it expands, likening it to the surface of a balloon. They debate whether the universe is finite or infinite and the implications of this on the notion of boundaries. Some argue that questions about what exists outside the universe may be meaningless, while others suggest that such inquiries are essential for understanding cosmology. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexities and philosophical dimensions of contemplating the universe's nature and expansion.
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whybother said:
Anyone who asks "what is outside of the universe" knows nothing about... the universe. It is an entirely meaningless question. Just like asking "what happened 'before' the universe'". Meaningless garbage. The universe is all there is. No outside of it.

If we are talking about inflationary multiverses, we can define "outside" differently, but that is a different matter.

If you want to believe the universe is expanding, fine, but it's just expanding. Not expanding into something. It's expanding in the sense that things are getting further apart. Period.

This almost sounds like a quasi-religious stance to me heh! It's almost a stubborn refusal to question. Maybe there's fear lurking in such staunch conservatism, like a fear of the unknown or something?

Jack21222 makes valid points. Inside an event horizon of a black hole, you would be completely disengaged from the "outside universe", but that doesn't mean "nothing" exists "out there" somewhere!

Besides, Dmitry67 correctly points out our universe may be a subset of a larger multiverse. Defining "universe" as an "all-encompassing EVERYTHING" can be deceptive and is really nothing more than word-games!
 
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Cryptonic said:
This almost sounds like a quasi-religious stance to me heh! It's almost a stubborn refusal to question. Maybe there's fear lurking in such staunch conservatism, like a fear of the unknown or something?

Such statements have nothing to do with Cosmology, and thus this thread is done.
 

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