What Is the Empty Space into Which the Universe Expands?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the universe's expansion and the nature of the space into which it expands. Participants explore theoretical, philosophical, and conceptual aspects of this topic, including analogies like the balloon model and implications of the universe's geometry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Philosophical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the universe expands into a space that may not have a defined boundary, likening it to the surface of a balloon.
  • Others argue that for the universe to expand, there must be a space to expand into, questioning the nature of "empty space."
  • A participant proposes a thought experiment about traveling in a straight line in the universe, raising questions about whether one would encounter a boundary or return to the starting point.
  • Some contributions introduce the idea that the universe's expansion creates time and space, making the question of "what is outside" potentially meaningless.
  • There are discussions about the implications of dark matter, with some suggesting it could relate to the concept of empty space.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the nature of time and space, questioning the validity of certain thought experiments and the meaning of "now."
  • One participant emphasizes that some questions may not have meaningful answers, suggesting a philosophical approach to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on the nature of the universe's expansion and the concept of empty space. The discussion remains unresolved, with various interpretations and philosophical considerations presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of space and time, as well as unresolved assumptions about the universe's geometry and the nature of dark matter.

  • #31
whybother said:
Anyone who asks "what is outside of the universe" knows nothing about... the universe. It is an entirely meaningless question. Just like asking "what happened 'before' the universe'". Meaningless garbage. The universe is all there is. No outside of it.

If we are talking about inflationary multiverses, we can define "outside" differently, but that is a different matter.

If you want to believe the universe is expanding, fine, but it's just expanding. Not expanding into something. It's expanding in the sense that things are getting further apart. Period.

This almost sounds like a quasi-religious stance to me heh! It's almost a stubborn refusal to question. Maybe there's fear lurking in such staunch conservatism, like a fear of the unknown or something?

Jack21222 makes valid points. Inside an event horizon of a black hole, you would be completely disengaged from the "outside universe", but that doesn't mean "nothing" exists "out there" somewhere!

Besides, Dmitry67 correctly points out our universe may be a subset of a larger multiverse. Defining "universe" as an "all-encompassing EVERYTHING" can be deceptive and is really nothing more than word-games!
 
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  • #32
Cryptonic said:
This almost sounds like a quasi-religious stance to me heh! It's almost a stubborn refusal to question. Maybe there's fear lurking in such staunch conservatism, like a fear of the unknown or something?

Such statements have nothing to do with Cosmology, and thus this thread is done.
 

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