What is the Entropy Change When Water Freezes to Ice?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the entropy change when water freezes to ice, specifically transitioning from 10 kg of water at 293 K to ice at 263 K under constant pressure. Participants are examining the thermodynamic principles involved in this phase change and the associated calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of entropy change using the latent heat of fusion and specific heat capacities for water and ice. There are attempts to clarify the signs of the entropy changes and the overall calculation process.

Discussion Status

Some participants express agreement with the calculations presented, while others question the accuracy of the initial answer and suggest potential errors in the application of latent heat. There is a recognition of the possibility of errors in textbook values, but no consensus is reached on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the calculations involve assumptions about constant pressure and the specific heat capacities of water and ice. There is also mention of a potential oversight in the multiplication of latent heat by the mass of water.

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Homework Statement



10 kg water temperature 293 K change to ice ( 263 K) at constant pressure. Calculate the entropy change of system
Answer is ##-13.8×10^3 J/°C##

Homework Equations


##c_p = 4180 J/kg-K## (water)
##c_p = 2090 J/kg-K## (ice)
##l_{water→ice} = 3.34×10^5 J/Kg##
##ΔS = \int \frac{dQ}{T} ##

The Attempt at a Solution


##ΔS_1 = \frac{ml}{T}## ;Latent heat ##Q=ml##
##ΔS_1 = \frac{10×3.34×10^5}{273}=12234.4 J/K = 12234.4 J/°C##

##J/°C## equal to ##J/K##
http://www.endmemo.com/convert/specific heat capacity.php

I thank ##ΔS_1 ## should be negative. because water change to ice (lost heat)
So ## ΔS_1 = -12234.4 J/°c##

##ΔS_2= \int \frac{dQ}{T} = mc_p\int \frac{dT}{T}## integral 293 K to 273 K
##ΔS_2= mc_p \ln \frac{273}{293} = 10×4180×\ln \frac{273}{293} = -2955 J/°C##

##ΔS_3= mc_p\int \frac{dT}{T}## integral 273 K to 263 K
##ΔS_3= mc_p \ln \frac{263}{273} = 10×2090×\ln \frac{263}{273} = - 780 J/°C##

So ##ΔS_{sys} = ΔS_1+ΔS_2+ΔS_3 = -12234.4 -2955 - 780 = -15968.4J/°C##

My answer incorrect. Please help
 
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I think you are correct. The answer of -13.8 x 105 is equal to - (10 x 4180 x 20) - (10 x 2090 x 10) - 3.34 x 105. So it looks as if they have calculated ΔH, but forgotten to multiply the latent heat by 10 kg.
 
mjc123 said:
I think you are correct. The answer of -13.8 x 105 is equal to - (10 x 4180 x 20) - (10 x 2090 x 10) - 3.34 x 105. So it looks as if they have calculated ΔH, but forgotten to multiply the latent heat by 10 kg.

I’m sorry. It was my fault. The answer of a question is ##-13.8×10^3 J/°C## I typed wrong. am so sorry
 
I still agree with your answer. Textbooks can be wrong.
 
mjc123 said:
I still agree with your answer. Textbooks can be wrong.
thank you very much
 

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