What is the equation to solve for muzzle speed in a ballistic pendulum problem?

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The discussion revolves around a ballistic pendulum problem where the original poster attempts to determine the muzzle speed of a bullet fired into a rod. The setup involves a rod of mass 5.5 kg and a bullet of mass 8.55 g, with the bullet striking at the center of mass of the rod and a maximum opening angle of 11.5 degrees being measured.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the standard formula for muzzle speed, with some questioning the placement of the square root in the equation. There are attempts to clarify the correct interpretation of the length measurement in relation to where the bullet strikes the rod.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on reconsidering the formula and its derivation. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the length measurement and its impact on the calculations, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of the bullet striking the rod at its center of mass rather than at the tip, which may affect the application of the formula. There is also a focus on ensuring that the correct physical relationships are applied in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



During a summer internship with a company, you devised the following method of measuring the muzzle speed of a high-powered rifle, as shown in the figure. You fire a bullet into a rod of mass 5.5 kg and length 150 cm that is free to rotate about the pivot at the top. The bullet, whose mass is 8.55 g, strikes at the center of mass of the rod and remains embedded. You measure the maximum opening angle to be 11.5 degrees. What is the muzzle speed in m/s?

Homework Equations


I know the equation to solve for the muzzle speed for a normal ballistic pendulum is

v0=(M+m)[tex]\sqrt{}2gL(1-cos\vartheta)[/tex]/m

The Attempt at a Solution


When I plug the values in the answer comes out to be false since the bullet hits the rod in the center, instead of at the tip. I also tried to plug in L/2 but that doesn't work either. Any ideas?
 
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Instead of just applying the formula you might want to consider where the formula comes from.

A simple energy relationship will tell you that your square root is in the wrong place.

L = L(overall)/2 this is correct.
 
where is the square root supposed to be?
 
The square root should be over everything on the right hand side.
 

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