What is the Expansion of X^n + Y^n When n is Even?

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The discussion centers on the expansion of the expression \(x^n + y^n\) when \(n\) is even. Participants explore various approaches to factor or expand this expression, considering both real and complex numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the possibility of expanding \(x^n + y^n\) when \(n\) is even, suggesting that it may not be expandable in a straightforward manner.
  • One participant proposes that \(x^n - y^n\) can be factored as \((x - y)(x^{n-1} + x^{n-2}y + \ldots + y^{n-1})\) and asks for a similar expression for \(x^n + y^n\).
  • Another participant suggests using alternating signs to simplify the problem, implying that this could lead to a clearer expansion.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of complex numbers, stating that \(x^n + y^n = 0\) can be expressed in terms of roots of unity, leading to a product representation involving complex factors.
  • One participant notes that for even \(n\), \(x^n + y^n\) does not equal zero except in the trivial case of \(x, y = 0\), indicating that factoring over the reals is not possible.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of rewriting \(x^n + y^n\) in terms of complex numbers, suggesting different cases based on the value of \(i^n\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the expansion and factorization of \(x^n + y^n\) for even \(n\). There is no consensus on a definitive method or outcome, and multiple competing views remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on whether \(n\) is even or odd, the distinction between real and complex numbers, and the unresolved nature of the proposed factorizations.

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What is the expansion of xn +yn , when is even ??/
 
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I don't see anything that can be expanded.
 
elibj123 said:
I don't see anything that can be expanded.

i mean that xn - yn can be written as (x-y)(xn-1 +xn-2y ...+yn-1 )
similarly what can xn +yn be written as ?
 
Try alternating signs, and it becomes straightforward.
 
I think you need to think about zeros
x^n+y^n=0
x^n=-y^n
x=y\cdot\exp(i\pi k/n)
\therefore x^n+y^n=\prod_k (x-\exp(i\pi k/n)y)

Occationally combining a subset of these factors together will give you a real solution.

Now you need to think when... :)
 
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phymatter said:
What is the expansion of xn +yn , when is even ??/

phymatter said:
i mean that xn - yn can be written as (x-y)(xn-1 +xn-2y ...+yn-1 )
similarly what can xn +yn be written as ?

Then you mean what are the factors :smile:

If n is odd, you can factor it as so:

x^n+y^n=(x+y)(x^{n-1}-x^{n-2}y+x^{n-3}y^2-x^{n-4}y^3+...-xy^{n-2}+y^{n-1})

However, if n is even, then x^n+y^n\neq 0 except for in the trivial case of x,y=0. This means you can't factor it over the reals. You'll need to use complex numbers. You could convert it into a few different ways, such as x^n-i^2y^n and take difference of two squares, or, if you want to follow the same factorizing process as above, take x^n+(iy)^n and take two cases, when [itexi^n[/itex] is equal to 1, and when equal to -1.
 

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