What is the expected roundtrip travel time if a wind is present?

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The discussion centers on calculating the expected roundtrip travel time for a pilot flying in the presence of wind, specifically referencing the Michelson-Morley experiment. The roundtrip time without wind is established as 2l/u, where l is the distance and u is the airspeed. With a steady wind of speed v from the west, the travel time must be recalculated for both legs of the trip, requiring the application of the Pythagorean theorem for accurate speed determination. The conversation highlights the discrepancy in travel times due to wind direction and raises questions about the implications for light travel times in the Michelson-Morley experiment.

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Homework Statement



The Michelson-Morley experiment for a real wind (This is taken from Resnick and Halliday, Basic Concepts in Relativity (MacMillan, New York, 1992).
A pilot plans to fly due east from A to B and back again. If u is her airspeed (speed of plane with respect to the air) and if l is the distance between A and B, it is clear that her roundtrip time t — if there is no wind — will be 2l/u.
a) Suppose, however, that a steady wind of speed v blows from the west. What will the round trip travel time now be, expressed in terms of l, u, and v?
b) If the wind is from the south, explain how you would find the expected roundtrip travel time, again as a function of l, u, and v. (If you can find the travel time, do it!)
c) Note that these two travel times are not equal. Should they be? Did you make a mistake?
d) In the Michelson-Morley experiment, however, the experiment seems to show that (for arms of equal length) the travel times (and thus path lengths) for light are equal; otherwise these experimenters would have found a pattern shift when they rotated their experiment. What is the essential difference between these two situations?


Homework Equations



Distance = speed x time.

The Attempt at a Solution



I = u x 21/u
I/u = 1 x 21
21 = I/u

The problem is I'm completely drawing a blank. Any help would be appreciated.

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Crazysah
 
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Anyone have any clue on this one?
 
a) What is her speed relative to the ground as she's going from A to B? Use this to calculate the time from A to B. Then do the same for the trip from B to A.

b) She will have to "aim" the plane a little to the right (south) of her target (B) in order to end up flying along a straight line from A to B. Use the Pythagorean theorem to find her speed relative to the ground as she flies towards B along that line.

That's all I have time for right now. Going to bed.

Crazysah said:
I = u x 21/u
I/u = 1 x 21
21 = I/u
By the way, I don't know what you're doing here. What's I? Where did you get the number 21? Also (21u)/u=21, so your first equality says I=21, while the second and third say that I=21u.
 

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