What Is the Explanation for Quantum Mechanics at the Quantum Scale?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the explanation of quantum mechanics at the quantum scale, particularly in relation to macroscopic systems like the Earth-sun system. Participants explore the implications of quantum phenomena and the transition from quantum to classical descriptions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of constructing a wave function for every atom in a macroscopic system, suggesting it would be chaotic.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what constitutes the quantum scale, indicating confusion regarding its definition.
  • Some participants reference literature, noting that classical physics serves as a good approximation for macroscopic objects, while others argue that quantum mechanics governs all scales.
  • A participant suggests simplifying the Earth-sun system to two particles to illustrate quantum mechanics, drawing parallels to the hydrogen atom model.
  • There is mention of the GRW theory, which posits that quantum mechanics applies universally but includes more frequent collapses at macroscopic scales.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to transition from a quantum mechanical description of macroscopic systems to classical descriptions, suggesting it may depend on the interpretation of quantum mechanics used.
  • A link to the concept of correspondence limit is provided as a potential resource for understanding the relationship between quantum and classical physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and interpretation regarding the quantum scale and the relationship between quantum and classical physics. No consensus is reached on how to reconcile these views or on the transition from quantum to classical mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining the quantum scale and the challenges in applying quantum mechanics to macroscopic systems. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of quantum mechanics and its implications for classical physics.

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Hello everyone, thanks for reading.

We all know that Quantum mechanics can be "ignored" when working with systems in which the typical distances and energies are big enough (compared to h, or other quantum constants).
However, when I try to think of an explanation for it I'm not sure I hit the right one.

Let's say I want to work out the Earth-sun System with Quantum Mechanics. That would mean I'd have to build a wave function for every atom in the system, or generally one terrible wave function describing the probabilities of all atoms to be found in certain positions.
Well - when I think about it like that, I imagine a terribly chaotic function.

Does the resolution has to do with the fact that probable deviations of the atoms from their most probable location are in the scale of 10-10[m]? Or is it something else?

Thanks a lot.

Tomer.
 
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Can you explain to me the quantum scale? Because I need to finish my physics essay, and I'm confused.. Thank you very much.
 
Well, since no one replyed, I'm probably not the best person to answer you, but as far as I know, Quantum scale is the the scale where quantum Phenomena start showing ;)
 
From what GRW theories says, it seems it is quantum all the way. As the macroscopic object is described by an equation that governs atomic particles, but just includes collapses more frequently at the macroscopic scale.
 
Hi Tomer,

I think a first sensible step could be to describe the earth-sun system by using only two particles: one particle with the mass of the sun, and another particle with the mass of the earth. You're actually doing the same in QM when you're describing the proton as one particle: at that level of description (i.e. assuming normal energies and such), it's irrelevant that it is made of quarks; its interior has no effect on its exterior behaviour. Likewise to a first approximation you can assume that the evolution of the Earth around the sun is independent of the Earth being populated by humans or not, or being made mainly out of protons or neutrons.

Once you're convinced that makes sense, you can realize that the description of sun-earth is identical to the description proton-electron in the hydrogen atom model; you just have to change some symbols and thus orders of magnitude.

But how to go from describing earth-sun as a quantum mechanical atom to the classical description, I don't really know, and I would suspect it depends on what interpretation of QM you're using. That being said, I don't know if every interpretation purports to explain the transition to the classical regime. I think the relation quantum-classical is not settled.
 

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