What is the field with one element ?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a "field with one element" in abstract algebra, particularly in the context of definitions of fields and their properties. Participants explore the implications of various definitions and the existence of such a field, referencing algebraic geometry and the trivial field.

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  • One participant states that according to standard definitions of a field, a field with one element does not exist, as most definitions require distinct elements for 0 and 1.
  • Another participant mentions that if the condition that 1 is not equal to 0 is discarded, it is possible to define a trivial field.
  • A later reply supports the idea that dropping the requirement for distinct 0 and 1 allows for the existence of a "field" with one element, which they refer to as the trivial field.
  • One participant introduces the concept of a ring with one element, noting its properties and the debate over whether it qualifies as a field, depending on the acceptance of 1 equaling 0.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of a field and whether a field with one element can exist. There is no consensus on the acceptance of such a field under traditional definitions.

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The discussion highlights limitations in definitions of fields and rings, particularly regarding the conditions for distinctness between 0 and 1, which are central to the debate.

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What is the "field with one element"?

From the definition of a field, it follows that such a thing does not exist. However a Google search reveals that apparently there is, or at least mathematicians think there ought to be, something that goes by that name. What is it? Is it called a "field" simply because of some analogies with fields even though it really isn't one?

The material (algebraic geometry) I've found online is over my head for the time being. I know basic abstract algebra, e.g. what a group, module, etc. is.

Also, the lecture notes I got from my uni mention the trivial field K = {a} with a*a=a, a+a=a and a=1=0.

Thanks in advance,
Kamataat
 
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This depends on your definition of field. My book says, "a field is a commutative ring with unity in which every nonzero element is a unit." But, my book defines a unity as a nonzero element of a ring that is a multiplicative identity. Therefore, there is no trivial field under this definition. If you simply throw out the condition that [itex]1 \neq 0[/itex], you can, of course define the trivial field.
 
Kamataat said:
From the definition of a field, it follows that such a thing does not exist. However a Google search reveals that apparently there is, or at least mathematicians think there ought to be, something that goes by that name. What is it? Is it called a "field" simply because of some analogies with fields even though it really isn't one?

The material (algebraic geometry) I've found online is over my head for the time being. I know basic abstract algebra, e.g. what a group, module, etc. is.

Also, the lecture notes I got from my uni mention the trivial field K = {a} with a*a=a, a+a=a and a=1=0.

Thanks in advance,
Kamataat

What Moo of Doom said is correct: most definitions of "field" require that there exist distinct 0 and 1. Dropping that requirement, then there can exist a "field" having only one element. It would have to be, then exactly what you give a "the trivial field".
 
There is a ring with one element. It is commutative, has no zero divisors, has no proper ideals, etc. Whether you call this a field or not depends on whether you allow fields with 1=0, since it trivially satisfies every other property. And if you do, then for any element a in such a field a=a*1=a*0=0, so the field has exactly one element (which is why the condition that 1 and 0 be distinct is usually added).
 

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