What Is the Formula for Solenoid Magnetising Current?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of magnetizing current for a solenoid, specifically in the context of a homework problem. Participants reference solenoid equations and attempt to reconcile their calculations with expected results.

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  • Participants share their calculations related to magnetizing current, noting discrepancies in their results. Some express confusion about the calculations and the definitions of magnetizing current in different contexts, such as solenoids versus transformers.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the definitions and formulas related to magnetizing current. There is a recognition of differing interpretations between solenoids and transformers, and some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of magnetizing current.

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Participants question the availability of formulas specifically for solenoids, as many references focus on transformers. There is also mention of potential rounding errors in calculations, indicating a need for precision in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Part d of attached question

Homework Equations


Solenoid equations
B=uo n i

The Attempt at a Solution


B (absence)=B (presence)
Uo n (i+im)=u n i
im=798A
But answer is 794A.[/B]
 

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I don't understand what you calculated, but such a small difference looks like a rounding error.
 
Suyash Singh said:

Homework Statement



Part d of attached question

Homework Equations


Solenoid equations
B=uo n i

The Attempt at a Solution


B (absence)=B (presence)
Uo n (i+im)=u n i
im=798A
But answer is 794A.[/B]
The answer should be M/H x 2A.
 
Can you guys give a formula for magnetising current for solenoid?Every book gives for transformer but not for solenoid
 
Suyash Singh said:
Can you guys give a formula for magnetising current for solenoid? Every book gives for transformer but not for solenoid
I just did, in post 3.

But you raise a good point: magnetizing current in a transformer is fundamentally different from magnetizing current in a solenoid. The latter term is actually rarely encountered. Why? Because it's a fictitious current whereas for a transformer it's very real.

For a solenoid, magnetizing current is defined to be the extra current that would be needed to restore the flux if the high-permeability core were removed.

For a transformer it's the actual primary current with the secondary open. It's the current needed to establish the flux given by Faraday's emf = -N d phi/dt. Note that emf = applied voltage - primary losses voltage drops.
 
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