What is the formula for these pattern data sequences?

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The discussion revolves around deriving formulas for two specific sequences of numbers: (a) 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 and (b) 4, 17, 23, 38, 41, 46. Participants explore potential mathematical representations and the significance of these sequences, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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  • One participant suggests that the sequences are too erratic for meaningful analysis without longer samples, indicating that any derived formulas may involve numerous arbitrary constants.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of deriving a formula, asking if the numbers have specific significance or if they are intended for interpolation or extrapolation.
  • A proposed formula for the first sequence is presented, involving a polynomial expression in terms of k.
  • OEIS results are mentioned, noting that the first sequence has cultural significance in the TV series "Lost," while the second sequence and its variations yield no notable results.
  • A different recursive formula is provided for the first sequence, suggesting an alternative approach to modeling the data.

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Participants express differing views on the meaningfulness of the sequences and the feasibility of deriving useful formulas. There is no consensus on the significance or the best approach to analyze the sequences.

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Participants note limitations in deriving formulas due to the sequences' irregularity and the potential for arbitrary constants in any proposed models. The discussion highlights the uncertainty surrounding the significance of the numbers and the methods used to analyze them.

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How to derive formula for the series of numbers as below:
(a) 4,8,15,16,23,42
(b) 4,17, 23,38,41,46
 
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The sequences are so jerky that you really need longer samples for the question even to be meaningful. Yes, you could make up formulae to generate these, but they would likely contain five or more arbitrary constants, so you'd have no confidence they mean anything.
 
Hi Ryan. Do the numbers represent anything in particular? Do you have a reason to use such a formula, like interpolation or extrapolation?

There are many ways to fit those points to a curve, but whether or not any particular formula has any significant meaning is another question.

For the first one for example, you can write:

[tex]T_k = - \frac{9}{40} k^5 + \frac{25}{8} k^4 - \frac{117}{8} k^3 + \frac{215}{8} k^2 - \frac{223}{20} k + 4 \, \, \, \, \, : \,k = 0,1,2,3 \ldots[/tex]
 
Another series for the first one is,

[tex]T_k = \frac{1}{217} \left( 454 \, T_{k-3} - 63 \, T_{k-2} + 144 \, T_{k-1} \right)[/tex]
 

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