What is the frustration with a professor's teaching style?

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The discussion revolves around frustrations with a professor's teaching style in physics and mathematics, particularly regarding the clarity of proofs and the expectation for students to derive understanding independently. Participants express their concerns about the lack of intuition and context in the professor's explanations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of deriving statements by dividing equations, expressing confusion over the lack of connection in the steps presented in their physics book.
  • Another participant asserts that as long as a variable is nonzero, dividing equations is a valid operation, emphasizing the importance of understanding equality.
  • Some participants express strong dissatisfaction with the professor's teaching methods, describing them as lacking justification and intuition, and feeling that the professor forces ideas without proper context.
  • There are claims that professors often omit steps in proofs that may seem obvious to them but are not clear to students, leading to frustration.
  • One participant reflects on the broader issue of professors not providing sufficient context or motivation for concepts, which can hinder students' understanding.
  • Another participant mentions the challenge of self-teaching and the desire for professors to facilitate deeper understanding rather than just presenting material from textbooks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the professor's teaching style, with multiple competing views on the adequacy of the explanations provided and the expectations placed on students. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the professor's methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the omission of certain steps in proofs can lead to confusion, indicating a potential gap in communication between professors and students. The discussion highlights the subjective nature of teaching effectiveness and student expectations.

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I know from linear algebra that you can take two things, and if they are equal to each other then you can simply substitute different variables to develop a proof of a different statement.

For example take,

w = a
w = z + k
therefore proof would posit that a = z + k

But my dilemma lies in what my physics book sometimes does. It derives a "proof" by taking two equations and dividing them by each other to attain a different statement.

For example,

w = a
b = k
[tex]\frac{w}{b}=\frac{a}{k}[/tex]

? This baffles me. What mathematical theorem or algebraic statement let's us derive something by taking two equations and dividing them by each other? There doesn't seem to be any connection or logic between steps.
 
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If b is nonzero, you can say
[tex]\frac w b = \frac a b[/tex]
and then because [itex]b = k[/itex]
[tex]\frac w b = \frac a k[/tex]
 
AlephZero said:
If b is nonzero, you can say
[tex]\frac w b = \frac a b[/tex]
and then because [itex]b = k[/itex]
[tex]\frac w b = \frac a k[/tex]

Really its that simple? My professor is an idi**. >.< I'm sorry if this offends anyone but he really does no justice to math or physics combined! He forces ideas down our throats and has little to no justifications for many things. /rant
 
Yes, it's that simple. It's really just the fact that the equality sign means that what you have on the left is the same thing as what you have on the right. Every equality says something like 5=5, and I'm sure you don't doubt that "5=5 and 3=3" implies that "5/3=5/3". (You just have to make sure that you don't divide by zero).

You're not the first person who has asked this, and you won't be the last. I don't know why teachers don't explain these "obvious" things. They really should.
 
the proof is always left to the student. give your prof a break. zen moments come when you look deeply into a problem and the answer becomes obvious.
 
Sometimes, it can be difficult to be aware of the need to explain such things, since they seem too obvious to need explanation. But, to a student who doesn't realize it, it can seem like a serious omission.

Omitting one step in a proof is not the kind of thing you should be upset about. That's the kind of thing you should just ask about.

What you should be upset about, for example, is when you are confronted with a horrific half-page calculation with no intuition, and then you discover there is a simple concept behind it that makes it all clear and obvious that was obscured by the professor. I'm just guessing a number, here, but that has probably happened over 100 times in my education so far.
 
Nano-Passion said:
Really its that simple? My professor is an idi**. >.< I'm sorry if this offends anyone but he really does no justice to math or physics combined! He forces ideas down our throats and has little to no justifications for many things. /rant
He expects you to think for yourself? The Bastard!
 
HallsofIvy said:
He expects you to think for yourself? The Bastard!

I'm sorry no one here really knows my professor. I'm the type that never complains about professors because I self-teach myself everything anyhow. But this professor really rapes math and physics of all its beauty [had him for physics and calculus], everything was very plug and chug. He gave very little intuition, context, concept motivation, etc. etc.. I've seen him completely rape physics of all its beauty that it irritates me.

And the reason I said that about my professor not being able to explain it to me is that when I try to ask what -insert name here- law or postulate allows you to do that, he is left out of words. He knows how to use things but does not know where things come from, how things come to be, and their context/bigger picture.

And I wish he would expect you to THINK for yourself, but in his class things are succumbed to rote calculation. Maybe I'm overreacting and should accept the status quo of quality of professors in this age but I had him for two classes this past semester, so that instigated and accelerated my dislike for his teaching habits.
homeomorphic said:
Sometimes, it can be difficult to be aware of the need to explain such things, since they seem too obvious to need explanation. But, to a student who doesn't realize it, it can seem like a serious omission.

Omitting one step in a proof is not the kind of thing you should be upset about. That's the kind of thing you should just ask about.

What you should be upset about, for example, is when you are confronted with a horrific half-page calculation with no intuition, and then you discover there is a simple concept behind it that makes it all clear and obvious that was obscured by the professor. I'm just guessing a number, here, but that has probably happened over 100 times in my education so far.

Professors aren't perfect, but when its a consistent lack of quality then things get a bit irritating. I can self-teach myself a lot of things, look for a simple concept behind something, and search for something in the bigger context but its much more convenient if professors can fill that role from time to time.

To HallsofIvy and others,

The last thing I need is for someone to come in class everyday and go by the books [exactly what he did]. I'm perfectly apt in teaching myself. I don't want someone who goes in the class everyday and go example by example in the book and tell me things that I CAN READ myself. That was the basis of my rant.
 
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