What Is the Full Significance of the pH Scale?

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the pH scale, including its definition, calculation, and implications in chemistry. Participants explore various aspects of the pH scale, including its logarithmic nature, comparisons to other scales, and the relevance of related concepts like pOH.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes basic knowledge of pH, including its calculation and the general understanding that values below 7 indicate acidity and above 7 indicate basicity.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of pOH and its relationship to pH, suggesting that pH + pOH equals 14 at standard temperature and pressure (STP).
  • Some participants argue that the pH scale is not just a simple measure, highlighting its logarithmic nature and the significance of using a logarithmic scale to represent varying concentrations of H3O+ ions.
  • A participant compares the pH scale to a speed scale, questioning the necessity of referring to it as a "scale" and suggesting that stating a pH value alone suffices.
  • Others counter that the pH scale is useful because pH values are typically confined within a specific range (0 to 14), unlike speed, which can vary more broadly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of referring to the pH scale as a "scale." While some see it as redundant, others argue for its importance due to the logarithmic nature and practical range of pH values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriateness of the term "pH scale."

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference additional concepts related to acids and bases, such as strong and weak acids/bases and polyprotic acids/bases, but these ideas are not fully explored within the discussion.

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I am asked to prepare some information on ph scale. I know what pH is, I know how to calculate it in some cases, I know it is lower than 7 for acid and higher then 7 for base - is there anything more important?

G
 
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That's really about all there is..

you may encounter PoH. Or have to calculate PH from PoH, or PoH from PH. I don't have a textbook in front of me, but PoH + Ph of a given solution equals 14 at STP, if I remember correctly.

The only other thing I could add at the time, is, why bother using a log of the concentration of H3O + to begin with? The answer is that the concentrations of H3O+ for acids can vary over a large scale. The log conversion compresses the scale, and gives a more "friendly" number to deal with.
 
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Not much more to know - look at pH scale lecture - and google for pH scale, you will find more similar informations.
 
So pH scale is just like saying speed scale referring to the car velocity? El stupido.

G
 
There perhaps is a little more to it.

Perhaps one may refer to the Chembuddy sections

Strong acid/base
Weak acid/base
Polyprotic acid/base

But perhaps it is enough to demonstrate the usual range 0-14, 7 being neutral, with some examples. One could have negative pHs.

So, it's not really like an odometer in a car. The odometer is linear with the velocity, whereas pH is actually a logarithm.
 
Others have mentioned a logrithmic connection.
I remember the pH scale is based on the following relationship,
pH = - log [H+] <----- negation of log of hydrogen ion concentration
 
What I meant about speed was that once you know what speed is you don't refer to 'speed scale', you just say 'we are making 55 mph' and that's all. In the case of pH scale it seems that calling it pH scale is slightly overdoing things, as it is enough to say 'this solution has pH of 3.4', you don't have to refer to it as 'on the pH scale this solution has pH of 3.4'. Hope I am clear.

G
 
In a way you are right, however, pH values are (in most cases) restricted from both sides, thus it is convenient to refer to pH scale - almost every solution you will meet in real life will have pH between 0 and 14, thus pH scale starts at 0 and ends at 14. On the other hand for most practical purposes speed is restricted only on the lower end (you can't move slower then 0 mph), thus speed scale doesn't make sense - pr at least it will be not as usefull.
 

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