What is the graph of y = log base 1 x?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the logarithm with base 1, specifically the expression y = log1x. Participants explore the implications of this expression, questioning the existence and characteristics of its graph.

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  • One participant asserts that logarithms to the base 1 are undefined due to division by zero in the change of base formula.
  • Another participant suggests that if y = log1x, then it could imply x = 1 for all y, leading to the conclusion that the graph would be a vertical line at x = 1.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that 1 raised to any power results in 1, reinforcing the idea that the graph would be x = 1.
  • One participant raises a question about the expression y = log11, suggesting that it could be undefined as logn1 is always zero, leading to confusion about the outputs.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the graph of y = log1x, with some agreeing on the undefined nature of the logarithm while others debate the implications of this on the graph's characteristics. No consensus is reached regarding the existence or form of the graph.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the behavior of logarithms with base 1, particularly regarding the implications of division by zero and the nature of exponential functions.

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I know that logarithms to the base 1 is undefined, due to the reason that:

[itex]\log_1{x} = \frac{\log_a{x}}{\log_a{1}}[/itex]

And this leads to divison by zero, which is undefined.

There was a question in one of my textbooks that asked describe the graph that results if [itex]y = \log_1{x}[/itex]. Is such a graph even possible?

If I switch this logarithm to exponential form I would get:

[itex]1^y = x[/itex]

Now, is it possible that the graph could be y = 1 and x = 1? Since [itex]1^y = x^1[/itex], [itex]y = 1[/itex] and [itex]x = 1[/itex].

Or is it the point of intersection of these two lines? If not, what is it?

Thanks.
 
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Well, not "the" graph. You have two "functions" there and so two graphs. Yes, if y= log1(x) then x= 1y= 1 for all x. The reason I put "functions" in quotes above is that this is not actually a function: strictly speaking, log1(x) is not a function. But it is a relation and its graph is the vertical straight line x= 1.

y= 1x= 1 is a function: its graph is the horizontal straight line y= 1.
 
Well not even going into division by zero when considering a change of base, you should recognize that 1 raised to a power won't get you x, a variable.

1 raised to any power, whether fractional, negative, or worse, is just 1. So the graph will look like x = 1.
 
Wouldn't the expression y=log11 (or y=log1(x);x=1 for all x) be undifned too as logn1 is always zero; So y=log11 has both zero and one as an answer?
 

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