What is the Gs of an object hitting the ground at 31 mph?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the G-forces experienced by a model rocket upon impact with the ground after falling from a height of approximately 1000 feet at a terminal velocity of 31 mph. Participants explore various methods and formulas to estimate the acceleration during the impact, considering factors such as the depth of penetration into the ground and the materials of the rocket.

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  • One participant requests to know how many Gs the rocket experienced upon hitting the ground and mentions the rocket's terminal velocity.
  • Another participant suggests using specific formulas to calculate acceleration based on the depth of penetration into the ground.
  • A participant estimates the rocket penetrated about 3 inches into the ground and expresses uncertainty about using the formulas due to their age.
  • Conversions from imperial to metric units are provided by a participant, leading to an estimated acceleration of approximately 514 Gs based on their calculations.
  • Questions arise about the structural integrity of the rocket if it were made of different materials, such as cardboard and balsa wood, and how that might affect the impact outcome.
  • Another participant provides a derivation of the acceleration formula using the work-energy theorem and discusses the implications of average velocity during deceleration.
  • One participant calculates a different G-force value based on a specific time for deceleration, noting discrepancies with previous calculations and assumptions about average velocity.
  • Another participant presents an alternative calculation method, yielding a different G-force result and expressing confusion over the variations in results among participants.
  • Concerns are raised about the precision of inputs and the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding uniform versus non-uniform acceleration.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations of G-forces, with no consensus on a single value. Multiple competing calculations and methods are presented, leading to various estimates of the G-forces experienced by the rocket.

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Limitations include assumptions about uniform acceleration, the accuracy of penetration depth, and the impact of material properties on the calculations. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and mathematical approaches among participants.

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I launched a model rocket, and like a dummy, put the nose cone on too tight. From its apogee (aproximately 1000 ft.) it fell to Earth at a terminal velocity of 31 mph. It ran into firmly packed dirt and no rocks. I want to know how many Gs the rocket was under when it hit the ground and if it's worth looking for. Thanks!
 
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You must tell us how deeply into the ground it ended up - then use the standard formulas (s = v0t and s = 0.5 at2) gives a = 2v02/s).
 
It is probably embeded 3 inches into the ground. Sorry, but I don't know how to use this formula as I'm 13. If you have an estimate that's all I need.
 
Or if you could give what all the variables stand for I could do the math.
 
Since I am from a metric country, I have to translate:
  • 31mph = 13.86m/s
  • 3inches = 0.0762m
  • ∴ a = 5042m/s2
  • g ≈ 9.81m/s2, so approximately 514Gs
 
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Thanks! One more question. If the that same rocket were made of cardboard and balsa wood fins, would it be worth getting back or would it be totally destroyed.
 
Zarich12 said:
Thanks! One more question. If the that same rocket were made of cardboard and balsa wood fins, would it be worth getting back or would it be totally destroyed.
My calculations were for a solid (a steel ball, a rock or something similar). Cardboard would deform and probably be destroyed, but thereby creating a longer retardation distance for objects inside, thereby sort of protecting them.
 
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Ok. Thanks!
 
Svein said:
You must tell us how deeply into the ground it ended up - then use the standard formulas (s = v0t and s = 0.5 at2) gives a = 2v02/s).
Try ##a=\frac{v^2}{2s}## instead.

If you do not want to Google SUVAT, you can arrive at it in a couple of ways. One way is with the work energy theorem.

##Fs=\frac{1}{2}mv^2##

Substitute for ##F## using ##F=ma##

##mas=\frac{1}{2}mv^2##

Divide by m and s giving the expected result:

##a=\frac{v^2}{2s}##

Another way is to compute the average velocity during the acceleration as half of the impact velocity.

##v_{avg}=\frac{v}{2}##

Impact duration is distance divided by the average velocity

##t=\frac{s}{\frac{v}{2}} = \frac{2s}{v}##

Acceleration is impact velocity divided by duration giving the expected result:

##a=\frac{v}{\frac{2s}{v}} = \frac{v^2}{2s}##
 
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I got half the Gs of Svein using 0.005498 seconds to decelerate from 13.86 meters/second to zero in 0.0762 meters. Using the basic formula: acceleration = velocity ÷ time, I got 2521 meters/second2, or 257Gs.
 
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Barbarian_Geek said:
I got half the Gs of Svein using 0.005498 seconds to decelerate from 13.86 meters/second to zero in 0.0762 meters.
That figure of 0.005498 results from dividing 0.0762 meters by 13.86 meters/second. ##t=\frac{s}{v}##. But that assumes that the average velocity during the deceleration is equal to the initial impact velocity. That assumption is obviously wrong. A more reasonable assumption is constant deceleration, in which case the relevant velocity is the average of the initial impact velocity and the final velocity (rest). That is 6.93 meters per second (half of 13.86 m/s).

That's the second derivation in #9 above.

You get half the G's of Svein because Svein's result was off by a factor of four. Your result is only off by a factor of two.

Almost forgot... Welcome to Physics Forums. Good to meet you!
 
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Thanks to all and good to meet you too.
 
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Weird result.

I have used the same ways that Jbriggs444 used. It is different than Svein's answer.

So for the sake of not duplicated the same thing just use the final equation that Jbriggs444 showed.

a = v^2 / 2s Where v is the impact velocity and s is the distance
a = 13.85^2 / (2 * 0.0762) = 1258.6

Dividing it by g which is 9.8 m/s^2 gives you 128.4g
 
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Either way, that's a lot of Gs.
 
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A few comments. It hurts my eyes to see an expression where one input is "about three inches" yield an output with 4 significant digits.

Assuming uniform acceleration gives a lower limit on maximum acceleration. Any non-uniformity will increase the maximum acceleration.

Unless this is in a swamp, 120 g's seems to me to be small. For a 4oz. rocket, that's 30 pounds of force. If you take a similar sized and shaped object, like a railroad spike, it takes substantially more force to push this into typical soil.
 
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