What is the highest form of happiness?

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The discussion revolves around the four levels of happiness as proposed by Spitzer and other philosophers. The first two levels—sensual satisfaction and self-satisfaction through recognition—are deemed flawed due to their transient nature, leading to boredom, isolation, or depression. The third level, focused on doing good for its own sake, also has limitations as it can result in frustration when faced with ongoing global issues. The central question posed is whether the fourth level of happiness, which is based on a life centered around God and perfect ideals, truly exists. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexity of defining happiness and the challenges of achieving lasting fulfillment.
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loseyourname said:
That isn't the point, though. That would only matter if "not being bored" = "being happy." I've been happy even when I was bored and been unhappy when I was not bored, so I don't see how they can be the same thing.


Well said!
 
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loseyourname said:
That isn't the point, though. That would only matter if "not being bored" = "being happy." I've been happy even when I was bored and been unhappy when I was not bored, so I don't see how they can be the same thing.

I never said they were the same, but they are certainly related. But by definition "boredom" is not an enjoyable feeling. Like pain. One can still be happy when in pain, but pain is a "bad" feeling. And too much pain can lead to unhappiness.
 
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You must realize that happiness (true) is not physical, one can be in pain and be very happy, things like boredom are self inflicted, putting oneself in a state of boredom shows apathy. The origon of this post is to discuss wether the fourth level of happiness really is a fourth level of happiness. If you want to argue the first three, start a new thread and I'll argue you there.
 

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