What is the highest form of happiness?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of happiness, specifically exploring different levels or forms of happiness as proposed by philosophers, including a focus on whether a "fourth level" of happiness exists. The conversation touches on philosophical theories, personal experiences, and the implications of various forms of happiness.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe four levels of happiness, starting with sensual satisfaction and progressing through self-satisfaction, doing good for its own sake, and potentially culminating in a happiness centered on God.
  • One participant argues that the first two levels of happiness are flawed due to their transient nature, leading to boredom and isolation.
  • Another participant questions the sustainability of happiness derived from good deeds, suggesting that it may falter when one is alone or unable to perform such deeds.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that true happiness may come from self-sufficient contentment and appreciation for existence, independent of external achievements or recognition.
  • There is a reference to Plato's attribution of the highest form of happiness to Aphrodite, indicating a philosophical perspective on happiness.
  • Some participants express frustration that the discussion has not directly addressed the existence of the "fourth level" of happiness, emphasizing the need to strive for an ideal form of happiness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of opinions on the nature and levels of happiness, with no consensus on the existence of the "fourth level" of happiness. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing views on what constitutes true happiness.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations and assumptions in their arguments, such as the dependence on personal experiences and the subjective nature of happiness. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the definitions and implications of different happiness levels.

  • #31
loseyourname said:
That isn't the point, though. That would only matter if "not being bored" = "being happy." I've been happy even when I was bored and been unhappy when I was not bored, so I don't see how they can be the same thing.


Well said!
 
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  • #32
loseyourname said:
That isn't the point, though. That would only matter if "not being bored" = "being happy." I've been happy even when I was bored and been unhappy when I was not bored, so I don't see how they can be the same thing.

I never said they were the same, but they are certainly related. But by definition "boredom" is not an enjoyable feeling. Like pain. One can still be happy when in pain, but pain is a "bad" feeling. And too much pain can lead to unhappiness.
 
  • #33
You must realize that happiness (true) is not physical, one can be in pain and be very happy, things like boredom are self inflicted, putting oneself in a state of boredom shows apathy. The origon of this post is to discuss wether the fourth level of happiness really is a fourth level of happiness. If you want to argue the first three, start a new thread and I'll argue you there.
 

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