What is the highest level of math you've learned?

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The discussion revolves around the highest levels of mathematics learned by participants, exploring various mathematical topics and their ordering, as well as personal experiences with learning mathematics. The scope includes theoretical knowledge, self-study, and formal education in mathematics.

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  • One participant lists a comprehensive order of mathematical topics, ranging from high school algebra to advanced topics like algebraic geometry and homological algebra.
  • Another participant disagrees with the ordering, suggesting that specialization in a field like probability theory may require knowledge of analysis, challenging the linear progression of topics.
  • Some participants express that there is no definitive "highest" level of math, noting that comparisons of knowledge between individuals are complex and context-dependent.
  • Several participants share their current levels of math knowledge, with some indicating plans to learn more advanced topics like differential geometry and topology.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of mathematical proofs and suggests that learning from experienced professors is beneficial for understanding higher-level math.
  • Another participant mentions their boredom with current math topics in high school, indicating a desire for more challenging material.
  • Some participants reflect on the difficulty of categorizing math topics as "higher" or "lower," suggesting that understanding varies widely among individuals.
  • A participant shares their experience with self-study and expresses interest in learning topology and homological algebra independently.
  • Another participant lists advanced courses taken, noting the challenges in logically ordering them due to varying levels of mathematical maturity required for different texts.

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Participants generally do not agree on a definitive ordering of mathematical topics or on the concept of "higher" levels of math, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved discussions regarding the categorization of mathematical knowledge.

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Participants express various assumptions about the prerequisites for different mathematical topics, and the discussion reveals limitations in defining levels of mathematical knowledge, as well as the subjective nature of understanding and expertise.

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I think the typical order goes like this:

High school Algebra
Precalculus
Univariate Calculus
Multivariate Calculus
Probability Theory
Linear Algebra I
Ordinary Differential Equations
Real Analysis
Complex Analysis
Discrete Logic Mathematics
Differential Analysis
Partial Differential Equations
Algebra
Linear Algebra
Group Theory
Algebraic Geometry
Differential Geometry
Geometric Analysis
Abstract Algebra
Numerical Analysis
Combinatorial Analysis
Stochastic Processes
Topology
Differential Topology
Riemannian Geometry
Manifolds
Geometric Manifolds
Lie
Hopf Algebras and Renormalization
Krein-de Branges Spaces

Preliminary
*Precalculus
*Univariate Calculus
*Multivariate Calculus
*Intro Linear Algebra
*Intro Differential Equations

Algebra
*Abstract Algebra
*Boolean Algebra
*Category Theory
*Commutative Algebra
*Homological Algebra
*Group Theory
*Representation Theory
*Linear Algebra
*Field Theory
*Group Theory
*Ring Theory
*Cohomology Theory

Calculus/Analysis
*Complex Analysis
*Functional Analysis
*Real Analysis
*Integration/Measure Theory
*Harmonic Analysis
*Fourier Analysis
*Tensor Theory
*Ordinary/Partial Differential Equations

Geometry/Topology
*Algebraic Geometry
*Differential Geometry
*Analytic Geometry
*Combinatorial Geometry
*Topology
*Algebraic Topology
*Geometric Topology
*Knot Theory
*Lie Group
 
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I kind of disagree with your ordering. For example, somebody who specializes in probability theory will typically know a lot of analysis and maybe other things. But according to your order, it is only 5th on the list.
On the other hand, somebody knowing manifolds, doesn't need to know anything about probability.

It would be better if you arranged the topics in some kind of tree. For example, the typical algebra branch will go as follows:

algebra -> linear algebra -> group theory -> commutative ring theory -> algebraic geometry

of course, I forgot to include Galois theory, semigroup theory, noncommutative algebra,... But I didn't include it because it doesn't fit nicely in the above branch. You will need more branches.

So there's no "highest" level of math. In fact, it is impossible to compare math knowledge of two persons. Unless they are in high school or undergraduates. But outside from that, two people may know a lot of different things...
 
So what is the highest level of math you've learned?
 
Linear Algebra. But I plan to learn much more! I'm very interested in differential geometry.
 
AlexChandler said:
Linear Algebra. But I plan to learn much more! I'm very interested in differential geometry.

How are you planning on learning higher-level math? Take courses? or self-study?
 
EeLoOd said:
How are you planning on learning higher-level math? Take courses? or self-study?

Definitely taking higher level math courses. Mathematical proofs are very important in higher math courses. And proofs are very much a cultural type of thing that is best learned from experienced professors. It will be very beneficial to get accustomed to what is acceptable and what is not in the realm of proofs. I suppose you could try to teach yourself, but I think taking courses will be much more effective.
 
In yr 11 vce mathematical methods so far we've done:
*rearranging algebraic equations (again)
*worded algebra (again)
*matrices
*quadratic equations (again)

needless to say I am a little bored in maths atm.
 
You can't really say that some subject is of a "higher level" than another. There are people who do research in linear algebra. Obviously this is not about the stuff you learn in a typical introduction to linear algebra.

You might say something like "high school level", "bachelors level", "masters level", "phd level", "research level" (while even those are not really well-defined, e.g. a first year Harvard student can have a 'higher level' than a masters student in Nigeria [sorry, just picking a random country]).
 
I agree that you can't really call anything "higher" than another; you can always look up something on wikipedia or take out a good math book on something relatively self-contained and read and "understand" it, but you may not have a proper appreciation of how everything is weaved together. Knowledge of mathematics is just a matter of reading from a paragraph to another, understanding of it is another thing
 
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In terms of "highest level" (more prerequisites) for me so far would be:

A course: Calculus 1 (differential calculus)
Self-study (Where I feel like I have a thorough understanding of the subject): Linear algebra and basic abstract algebra

I don't plan in taking anymore formal math courses but I'm still very much interested to learn more math. I hope to learn stuff like topology and homological algebra, but it's a long way there. You could say I'm embarking on an independent mathematical expedition!
 
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I've only completed the preliminary, so according to this tree, not much.
 
  • #12
Grade 9. Beat up a math teacher (who richly deserved it) at the beginning of grade 10 and never took the subject since.
 
  • #13
Measure theory. (Advanced probability.)
 
  • #14
Grade 9. Beat up a math teacher (who richly deserved it) at the beginning of grade 10 and never took the subject since.


Must have put quartics on the test.
 
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Mentalist said:
Must have put quartics on the test.

:smile:

Alas, no. My best friend was the victim of a physical assault by said teacher. I intervened.
 
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The most advanced courses I've taken are:

- Abstract Algebra
- Graph Theory and Combinatorics
- Set Theory
- Intro to Number Theory

As others have mentioned, ordering them is quite awkward because I don't believe you'd be able to find a logically consistent way of going about it. One might be able to order the level of study within a certain field/topic. For example, Linear Algebra from Axler or Shilov require a bit more mathematical maturity than a text like Strang or Lay. However, it would still be difficult to claim one of the texts is "higher" than the other.
 
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I've learned these:

High school Algebra
Precalculus
Univariate Calculus
Multivariate Calculus
Probability Theory
Linear Algebra I
Ordinary Differential Equations
Real Analysis
Complex Analysis
Algebra
Linear Algebra
Group Theory
Abstract Algebra
Numerical Analysis

Though on Abstract Algebra I only had 1 course, and that includes groups, rings, fields and boolean algebra altogether. And I'm still learning Numerical Analysis methods.

Next year I hope I'll be learning Topology, Differential Geometry and theory about EDOs and PDEs (only know some basics now), and hope to be learning stochastic calculus soon enough (for finance applications).
 
  • #18
linear algebra and differential equations
 

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