What is the history of the ADM formalism in quantum gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the ADM formalism in quantum gravity, focusing on the interpretation and behavior of the shift vector as presented in the Peldan paper. Participants express confusion regarding specific equations and their implications, particularly concerning the contraction of vectors in different coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why the contraction of the shift vector \(N^a\) with \(V^{aI}\) does not vanish, unlike another equation in the same section of the Peldan paper.
  • Another participant notes that the superscripts and subscripts of the vectors in question appear to differ, suggesting that they may not be directly comparable.
  • There is a question about the relationship between \(N^I\) and \(N^a\), with one participant proposing that they might represent the same vector in different coordinate systems, while another participant disagrees, suggesting they are distinct based on the context of Peldan's and Gourgoulhon's work.
  • A participant references the historical context of the ADM formalism, mentioning the original ADM paper from 1962 and suggesting additional resources for understanding the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between \(N^I\) and \(N^a\), with some suggesting they are the same vector viewed differently, while others argue they are distinct. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the equations presented in the Peldan paper.

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Participants highlight potential confusion stemming from the different indices used in the equations, which may indicate varying coordinate systems or bases. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the mathematical relationships and assumptions underlying the formalism.

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Hi! I am novice in the Quantum Gravity field, so it was logical for me to start with the ADM formalism, but I am very confused about the Shift vector, specially in the Peldan paper http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9305011.

In the first equation of (2.29): why the contraction of N^a with VaI does not vanish as it was the case for the third equation of (2.29), the N^a and N^I aren't the same vector but viewed by two different coordinate systems?

I am already apologizing for my bad english :)
 
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I'm not sure, but the equations look different to me. The superscript for N matches the first and second subscripts of V in the first and third equations respectively.
 
atyy said:
I'm not sure, but the equations look different to me. The superscript for N matches the first and second subscripts of V in the first and third equations respectively.

I mean the right hand side of the first equation of (2.29): N^a contracted with V^aI, isn't supposed to vanish as the third equation on (2.29) where the projection of N^I with V^aI is zero?

:S
 
louva said:
I mean the right hand side of the first equation of (2.29): N^a contracted with V^aI, isn't supposed to vanish as the third equation on (2.29) where the projection of N^I with V^aI is zero?

:S

It looks like in one case the contraction is with "a" and in the other case with "I", which are indices that have different positions on VaI.

Also, the lower case Roman indices "a" appear to take possible values {1,2,3} (space), whereas upper case indices "I,J,K.." appear to take values {0,1,2,3} (local Minkowski basis). He also uses lower case Greek indices "α" which take values {0,1,2,3} (spacetime coordinates).
 
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atyy said:
It looks like in one case the contraction is with "a" and in the other case with "I", which are indices that have different positions on VaI.


- Thank you :), I must confess that i have some difficulties with "this" Shif Vector and his behavior.
 
Another question :)

Is there any relation between N^I and N^a, are they the same vector but viewed by different coordinate systems?

If Yes, which map allows us to pass from one coordinate systems to another?
 
louva said:
Another question :)

Is there any relation between N^I and N^a, are they the same vector but viewed by different coordinate systems?

If Yes, which map allows us to pass from one coordinate systems to another?

I don't think so. It looks like if we take Peldan's tetrad basis vectors to be coordinate basis vectors, then http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9305011" Eq 4.31.

So Peldan's and Gourgoulhon's N are the same. Peldan's NI is Gourgoulhon's n. Peldan's Na are the components of Gourgoulhon's β.
 
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Just as a general (historical?) reference you might be interested in looking at the original ADM paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0405109

This dates back to around 1962. I think it was a chapter in a book compiled by Louis
Witten and published in 1962. You are probably familiar with arxiv. If not just click where it says "pdf" for a free download.

Another free online source that might be useful as context is the draft version of Rovelli's book "Quantum Gravity". It is not the final version that was published by Cambridge U. Press in 2004, but it is pretty close to final as you might expect in the early chapters coverning standard material.

The link is posted here
http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/~quantumgravity/
The pdf link, for download, is this
http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/~rovelli/book.pdf
 

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