What is the ideal balance of consonants and vowels in a spoken language?

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The discussion revolves around the optimal balance of consonants and vowels in spoken languages, exploring statistical preferences, pronunciation characteristics, and language adaptability. Participants reference various languages, including English and Salishan, to illustrate their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the optimal number of consonants and vowels in a spoken language and whether it depends on pronunciation specifics.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that the Dutch have an excess of vowels, implying a need for balance among different languages.
  • A claim is made that Dutch pronunciation may involve an error-correcting method with a high number of vowels compared to consonants.
  • Participants note that English has a large number of sounds, which may not be fully represented in its writing system, while Hawaiian has significantly fewer.
  • There is a perspective that English's adaptability and borrowing from other languages contribute to its longevity and richness.
  • A participant references Salishan languages as being consonant dense, with some sentences formed entirely of consonants.
  • Humorous commentary is made about the historical invasions of England and their impact on the English language, suggesting a blend of influences over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of views on the balance of consonants and vowels, with no consensus reached on what constitutes an ideal balance. The discussion includes humor and anecdotal evidence, indicating a mix of agreement and differing opinions.

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Some statements rely on subjective interpretations of language characteristics, and the discussion includes references to specific languages without detailed analysis of their phonetic structures.

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The current Fields medal awarded to Maryna Viazovska makes me wonder: which is the optimal/preferred number of consonants and vowels of a spoken language? Do we have some statistics? Does it depends on particularities of the pronuntiation?
 
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Why are the Dutch hoarding all those vowels when the poor Bosnians and Poles need them so badly?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Why are the Dutch hoarding all those vowels when the poor Bosnians and Poles need them so badly?
Do not discard they opt for an error-correcting pronunciation based on 24 vowels and 8 consonants.
 
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arivero said:
Do not discard they opt for an error-correcting pronunciation based on 24 vowels and 8 consonants.
Hm ... that many vowels seems like an error-inducing method.
 
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English has a great many, Hawaiian has few. English has more sounds than are found in the Roman alphabet, so writing it is a transliteration.
 
Goes to show that english as a melange of a great many languages by borrowing from wherever it sees fit will quite probably last for quite a long time, just because of its adaptablity.
 
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256bits said:
Goes to show that english as a melange of a great many languages by borrowing from wherever it sees fit will quite probably last for quite a long time, just because of its adaptablity.
"English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.” - James Nicoll.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
"English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore."
We had to be whores, tribes kept bending over backwards to get over here and do their worst and a few got through.
I think it worked out ok, my ancestors had a hard time possibly but after over a 1000 years of invasions of our country lives and language? Out popped Chaucer, Shakespeare, a few other guys.
Its not my thing really but I have heard they were ok.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
"English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.” - James Nicoll.
In other words, "fervent acquisition".
 

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