What is the Integration Formula for x and p in Maxima?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\frac{1}{x \ln^p(x)}\) from \(e^2\) to infinity, focusing on the integration formula in the context of the software Maxima. Participants explore the setup of the integral, substitution methods, and the evaluation of limits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to handle the integration due to the presence of two variables, \(x\) and \(p\).
  • Another participant suggests setting the definite integral as a limit due to the infinite upper bound and proposes a \(u\)-substitution where \(u = \ln(x)\).
  • A participant questions if the integration result can be expressed as \(\left[\frac{-\ln^{1-p}(x)}{p-1}\right]_2^\infty\) and notes a discrepancy with the book's answer.
  • Further clarification is provided on the evaluation of the limit, leading to a proposed final expression for the integral.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity of the topic and expresses gratitude for the assistance received.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the final form of the integral, as there are differing interpretations of the evaluation steps and results. Some participants propose different expressions for the integral, indicating that multiple views remain on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the behavior of the integral as \(t\) approaches infinity and the conditions under which the integration is valid, particularly the requirement that \(p > 1\). There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the limits and the handling of the logarithmic terms.

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$\Large{§8.8.15} \\
\tiny\text {Leeward 206 Integration to Infinity}$
$$\displaystyle
\int_{e^{2}}^{\infty} \frac{dx}{x\ln^p\left({x}\right)}\,dx \,, p>1$$
$\text{not sure how to deal with this} $
$\text{since there are two variables x and p} $

$\text{answer by maxima is:'} $
$$\displaystyle \dfrac{\ln^{1-p}\left(x\right)}{1-p}$$$\tiny\text{ Surf the Nations math study group}$
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Okay, the first thing I would do is set the definite integral up as a limit because of the infinite upper bound:

$$I=\lim_{t\to\infty}\left(\int_{e^2}^t \frac{1}{x\ln^p(x)}\,dx\right)$$

Next, I would use the following $u$-substitution:

$$u=\ln(x)\,\therefore\,du=\frac{1}{x}dx$$

And for out limits of integration

$$u\left(e^2\right)=\ln\left(e^2\right)=2$$

$$\lim_{x\to\infty}\left(u(x)\right)=\lim_{x\to\infty}\left(\ln(x)\right)=\infty$$

So, now we have:

$$I=\lim_{t\to\infty}\left(\int_{2}^t u^{-p}\,du\right)$$

Can you proceed? :D
 
$\text{are you sugesting} $
$$\displaystyle
I=\left[\frac{-\ln^{1-p} \left({x}\right)}{p-1}\right]_2 ^\infty$$

$\text{the book answer was} $
$$\displaystyle
\frac{1}{\left(p-1\right){2}^{p-1}}$$
 
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karush said:
$\text{are you sugesting} $
$$\displaystyle
I=\left[\frac{-\ln^{1-p} \left({x}\right)}{p-1}\right]_2 ^\infty$$

More like:

$$I=\frac{1}{1-p}\lim_{t\to\infty}\left(\left.u^{1-p}\right|_2^t\right)$$
 
Sorry it's simple I know: but I don't see it?
 
karush said:
Sorry it's simple I know: but I don't see it?

Nothing is "simple" when you are first learning it...I learned things like this more than 20 years ago, so I've likely done it a few more times than you have. :D

To finish it up, I would write:

$$I=\frac{1}{1-p}\lim_{t\to\infty}\left(\left.u^{1-p}\right|_2^t\right)=\frac{1}{1-p}\lim_{t\to\infty}\left(t^{1-p}-2^{1-p}\right)=\frac{2^{1-p}}{p-1}$$

The term $t^{1-p}$ goes to zero as $t$ grows without bound, because $1<p$...does this all make sense?
 
OK got what's happening
Sure appreciate the help😊
 

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