What is the intention of atom to form ions?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why atoms, specifically iron, form ions such as Fe2+ and Fe3+. It touches on concepts from inorganic chemistry, including the electrochemical series and the behavior of main group elements in relation to noble gas configurations.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the intention of atoms to form ions and seek clarification on the conditions under which iron forms Fe2+ or Fe3+.
  • One participant suggests that understanding the behavior of main group elements involves recognizing their tendency to lose or gain electrons to achieve noble gas configurations, although this is noted to apply primarily to gaseous elements.
  • Another participant references a previous thread that contains a semi-formal argument related to the topic, indicating that there may be additional insights available.
  • There is a suggestion that the original questions may not be homework-related but rather reflect broader chemistry doubts that are often unresolved in educational contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the original questions are homework-related, with some suggesting they are legitimate chemistry inquiries. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific intentions of atoms in forming ions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about noble gas configurations and the applicability of the electrochemical series, which are not fully explored or defined.

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what is the intention of atom to form ions?
how do we know when iron form iron2+ or iron3+ irons?
do we need to remember the electrochemical series?
 
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Again, this looks like a series of homework questions. Please attempt the questions yourself first and you will find a greater number of more useful posts in response.
 
Well to answer the question of why iron exists as [Fe]2+ and [Fe]3+, we'd need to get into inorganic chemistry, which I cannot answer at this point.

But for main group elements, they exist in isoelectronic series, with Groups 1A and 2A losing as many electrons to attain the previous noble gas configuration, whereas the gaseous elements in Groups 5A to
7A gain as many electrons as the noble gas across from it. Note this is only for the gaseous elements. Bromine is a liquid at room temperature, but is not excluded. (all the halogens gain 1e- to attain the outer configuration of the noble gas directly across from it).
 
There's a semi-formal argument in the following thread (note the correction to the typo - the first 2 instances of the word 'argon' should be replaced with 'neon'):
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=91938&highlight=chemistry

Hoot: I doubt the OP's questions are actually homework - they look like some of those many legitimate chemistry doubts that never get satisfactorily resolved in any series of chem classes.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Hoot: I doubt the OP's questions are actually homework - they look like some of those many legitimate chemistry doubts that never get satisfactorily resolved in any series of chem classes.
Point taken.
 

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