What is the Lagrangian for geodesics in Schwarzschild coordinates?

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The discussion centers on deriving the Lagrangian for geodesics in the Schwarzschild metric using Schwarzschild coordinates. Participants explore methods for finding the geodesic equations and the role of the variational principle in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in deriving the Lagrangian for geodesics in the Schwarzschild metric and references the proper time along a timelike world line.
  • Another participant suggests directly using Christoffel symbols to write the geodesic equations, implying this may be a more straightforward approach.
  • A third participant points out that the focus should be on extremizing the functional related to proper time, referencing a resource by Carroll for further explanation of the variational process.
  • Another participant mentions solving the Euler-Lagrange equations for geodesics or finding Christoffel symbols based on the metric tensor, indicating that both methods are valid but may vary in efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, indicating a lack of consensus on the best method to derive the Lagrangian or geodesic equations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the preferred technique.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the variational principle and the use of Christoffel symbols, but there are no explicit definitions or assumptions clarified regarding the metric or the specific form of the Lagrangian being sought.

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For pure interest I have been trying to solve for the geodesics of the Schwarzschild metric. To do so I know I need to find the explicit Lagrangian for the variational principle for geodesics in this spacetime in Schwarzschild coordinates. How do I derive this lagrangian?

I know that the proper time along a timelike world line between two points in spacetime is

[tex]\sqrt {[-g_{{\alpha \beta }} \left( x \right) {{\it dx}}^{\alpha}{{<br /> \it dx}}^{\beta}]} \left( B-A \right)[/tex]

But how do I use this and what does it end up telling me?
 
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You can certainly do it that way, but why not skip a few steps and write down the geodesic equations immediately using Christoffel symbols, as described in any GR textbook.
 
A good explanation of this variational process can be found in Carroll (free online), ch3 I think although not 100% sure. It's not a Lagrangian your after here, it's just that the geodesics are "shortest distance", or as Carroll does maximize proper time...so you want to use Calculus of variations techniques to extrematise the functional you have written. You often get the Christoffel symbols by doing this process too.
 
You can solve the euler lagrange equations for the geodesics as extremal paths using the line element with factors of 1/2 which give you the geodesic equations or you can just find the Christoffel symbols based on its definition in terms of the derivatives of the metric tensor. Its up to you really but the first method is less time consuming for me at least.
 

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