What Is the Least Positive Integer x Satisfying These Congruences?

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The discussion revolves around finding the least positive integer x that satisfies the congruences x=5 (mod 7), x=7 (mod 11), and x=3 (mod 13). Participants explore various methods to approach this problem, including the Chinese remainder theorem and other mathematical techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the congruence x=5 (mod 7) and expresses uncertainty about how to proceed.
  • Another participant proposes substituting x=7k+5 into the second congruence, leading to a series of modular equations involving k and t, and mentions the Chinese remainder theorem.
  • A different participant discusses the relationship between the congruences and suggests a method to find integers k and j such that the equations align, ultimately leading to a combined congruence.
  • Another approach is presented where the participant starts with x=3 (mod 13) and derives a series of equations to express x in terms of j, ultimately leading to a solution involving j and k.
  • One participant notes the historical significance of the problem, referencing its application in ancient military contexts, but does not provide a solution to the congruences.

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Participants present multiple methods and approaches to solve the problem, indicating that there is no consensus on a single solution or method. The discussion remains unresolved with various competing views on how to proceed.

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Some participants' methods depend on specific assumptions about the relationships between the integers involved, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps that may affect the final outcome.

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Find the least positive integer x such that x=5 (mod 7), x=7 (mod 11) and x=3(mod 13).

How to proceed?
 
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suvadip said:
Find the least positive integer x such that x=5 (mod 7), x=7 (mod 11) and x=3(mod 13).

How to proceed?

$ x = 5 (mod 7) $
$ x = 7k +5 $ for some k
Sub in the second
$7k+5 = 7 (mod 11) $
$7k = 2 (mod 11) $ the multiplication inverse of 7 in $\mathbb{Z}_{11}$
$7(3) = -1 (mod 11) \Rightarrow 7(7)(9) = 1 (mod 11) \Rightarrow 7(8) = 1 (mod 11)$ so

$8(7k) = 16 (mod 11) \Rightarrow k = 5 (mod 11)$
$ k = 11t + 5 $
So $ x = 7(11t+5) + 5 = 77t + 40...(*) $
Now the last equation
$ 77t + 40 = 3 (mod 13)$ , solve it for t it will be something like t = 13m + c sub it in (*)
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suvadip said:
Find the least positive integer x such that x=5 (mod 7), x=7 (mod 11) and x=3(mod 13).

How to proceed?

If $x \equiv a ~ (n)$ and $x\equiv b ~ (m)$ where $n,m$ are relatively prime positive integers then $x\equiv ab ~ (nm)$.

Since $x\equiv 5 ~ (7)$ it means $x\equiv 5 + 7k ~ (7)$.
Since $x\equiv 7 ~ (11)$ it means $x\equiv 7 + 11j ~ (11)$.

Now find integers $k,j$ so that $5 + 7k = 7 + 11j$. We require $11j - 7k = -2$. For example, choose $j=-4$ and $k=-6$. This tells us that $x\equiv -37 ~ (7)$ and $x\equiv -37 ~ (11)$, now since $7,11$ are relatively prime we get $x\equiv -37~ (77)$.

Continue from here.
 
Equivalently: if x=5 (mod 7), x=7 (mod 11) and x=3(mod 13),
then from x= 3 (mod 13) (it is not necessary to start with the largest "modulus" but it makes the calculations easier) x= 3+ 13i for some integer I.

Then x= 3+ 13i= 7 (mod 11) so 3+ 2i= 7 (mod 11), 2i= 4 (mod 11), i= 2 (mod 11).
That means that i= 2+ 11j for some integer j so x= 3+ 13i= 3+ 13(2+ 11j)= 29+ 143j.

Then x= 29+ 143j= 5 (mod 7) so 1+ 3j= 5 (mod 7), 3j= 4 (mod 7). 3(6)= 18= 14+ 4. That means that j= 6+ 7k for some integer k and x= 29+ 143j= 29+ 143(6+ 7k)= 887+ 1001k.

Check: 887/7= 126 with remainder 5. 887/11= 80 with remainder 7. 887/13= 68 with remainder 3.
 
suvadip said:
Find the least positive integer x such that x=5 (mod 7), x=7 (mod 11) and x=3(mod 13).

How to proceed?

This problem is of historical importance because it illustrates the method used by the chinese generals in the Middle Age to know the number of soldiers in a battalion. The general solution of this problem is illustrated in... http://mathhelpboards.com/number-theory-27/applications-diophantine-equations-6029.html#post28283

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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