What is the level of difficulty in understanding Gregory Chaitin's Meta Math?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perceived difficulty of understanding Gregory Chaitin's book "Meta Math," particularly in relation to its content on number theory and incompleteness. Participants share their experiences with the book, express opinions on Chaitin's style and approach, and debate his credibility as a mathematician.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant finds the book interesting but suggests that Chaitin assumes a high level of intelligence from the reader.
  • Another participant questions Chaitin's credibility, suggesting he might be viewed as a "crackpot."
  • A different participant defends Chaitin, stating he is not a crackpot but is opinionated and sometimes appears pretentious in his writing.
  • Some participants note that while Chaitin's articles can seem self-important, they also contain informed discussions about the philosophy of mathematics.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the book, indicating that earlier concepts were not grasped, making later sections challenging.
  • Links to Chaitin's work on arxiv.org and Wikipedia are provided for further exploration of his ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express mixed views on Chaitin's credibility and writing style, with some defending him and others criticizing him. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall difficulty of the book and its accessibility to readers.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention biases in reviews of the book, suggesting that personal interpretation may vary significantly. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and opinions without reaching a consensus on Chaitin's approach or the book's difficulty.

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I bought the book and am finding it very interesting (perhaps the only flaw is that Mr. Chaitin at times assumes the typical reader is nearly as smart as he is). But when searching on arxiv.org for more of his work, I noticed that this entire book is on-line. I assume it is there because he wants folks to be able to access it, anyone interested in a basic book on number theory/incompleteness can at least give it a glance and decide if they want to purchase it.

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Are you sure he isn't just a crackpot?
 
No, he's not a crackpot. He is however very opinionated and not afraid to voice his opinions frequently and vocally, not to mention unnecessarily, and seemingly in a way that makes you think: what was the point of that article?

I looked at one of the hits for him at arxiv, a 1994 collection of rebuttals to an article by two people about 'theoretical mathematics' the first of which was be Sir Michael Atiyah. The few I read were informed discussions about the philosophical basis of mathematics and its practice. Except for Chaitin's which read as him trying to make himself sound like the cleverest, most important person in foundational mathematics.
 
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arildno said:
Are you sure he isn't just a crackpot?
Cant classify him as a crackpot. He just sounds pretentious in most of his articles :smile:

Probably, you might just read this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Chaitin
Just to be sure, that this guy "can" make sense at times :biggrin:

@Hacky,
The book was up at arxiv and initially at his own homepage, even much before the book got printed.

@all,
The book is available here,
http://xxx.lanl.gov/pdf/math.HO/0404335

There are several reviews, available but they all seem biased at certain points to me. Its better to read it up yourself and make your own comments anyways.

-- AI
 
Okay, so he's an arrogant d**khead who tries to make his own discoveries seem more revolutionary than they are.
Plenty of those about, unfortunately.
 
I bought this book thinking I could handle it, but alas, it was far beyond me. I enjoyed reading it at times, but since some of the eariler concepts I wasnt able to grasp left the latter parts in the book usless to me. I didnt find the writing to be difficult just the number theory.
 

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