What is the limit of the given fraction in Calculus 1 homework?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of a fraction involving trigonometric and polynomial expressions as x approaches π. The specific limit is presented as ##\lim_{x\to\pi}\frac{x\cos\frac{x}{2}}{\pi^{2}-x^{2}}##, which is part of a Calculus 1 homework problem.

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  • Participants discuss the application of derivatives to evaluate the limit, with some suggesting the use of L'Hôpital's rule due to the indeterminate form. There are questions about the correctness of arriving at zero as a final answer and the implications of potential computational mistakes. The original poster also acknowledges a misstatement in the problem setup.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to approach the limit. Some have provided guidance on using derivatives and L'Hôpital's rule, while others are clarifying the setup of the problem and correcting earlier mistakes. There is no explicit consensus on the final value of the limit, as participants are still working through their reasoning.

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Participants note the importance of correctly identifying constants during differentiation and the potential for confusion with trigonometric functions. There is also mention of the need to clarify the limit's setup after an initial error in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


The limit
##\lim_{x\to\pi}\frac{xcos\frac{x}{2}}{\pi^{2}-x^{2}}##
Can be expressed as a fraction. Solve

2. Relevant equation

3. The Attempt at a Solution


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Keep in mind, when taking the derivative, that cos(pi/2) is a constant.
 
laplacean said:
Keep in mind, when taking the derivative, that cos(pi/2) is a constant.
I know I'm getting 0 as the final answer that's not right though it should be a fraction of two relatively prime positive integers.
 
youngstudent16 said:
I know I'm getting 0 as the final answer that's not right though it should be a fraction of two relatively prime positive integers.
My mistake I typed the question wrong
 
The derivative of the top, when derived correctly, will yield a prime number. Just derive xcos(pi/x) as you would derive an x with a constant coefficient. For the bottom, pi^2 is also a constant and should go to 0 when derived. All you have left to deal with would be the -x^2.
 
laplacean said:
The derivative of the top, when derived correctly, will yield a prime number. Just derive xcos(pi/x) as you would derive an x with a constant coefficient. For the bottom, pi^2 is also a constant and should go to 0 when derived. All you have left to deal with would be the -x^2.
sorry it should be cos(x/2) I read it wrong
 
youngstudent16 said:
I know I'm getting 0 as the final answer that's not right though it should be a fraction of two relatively prime positive integers.

Why is zero incorrect?
 
youngstudent16 said:
sorry it should be cos(x/2) I read it wrong

Then that makes more sense, what do you get now?
 
Student100 said:
Why is zero incorrect?
I'm sorry I typed it wrong trying again with Let t=x−π. Then x=t+π,
 
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I did not get zero as an answer. A place where you could be making a computational mistake would be in the derivation of xcos(x/2).
 
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youngstudent16 said:
I'm sorry I typed it wrong trying again with Let t=x−π. Then x=t+π,

Can you go ahead and retype the whole thing? The original limit was zero, the second correction gave a finite value, but retype everything.
 
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That would be much appreciated (:
 
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Student100 said:
Then that makes more sense, what do you get now?
Let ##t=x-\pi## Then ##x=t+\pi##

##\lim_{x\to \pi}\frac{xcos\frac{x}{2}}{\pi^{2}-x{^2}}####=\lim_{t\to 0}\frac{(\pi+t)cos\frac{(\pi+t)}{2}}{\pi^{2}-(\pi+t){^2}}####=\lim_{t\to 0}\frac{(\pi+t)sin\frac{t}{2}}{t^{2}+2\pi t}##

##=\lim_{t\to 0}\left(\frac{\pi + t}{2(t+2\pi)}\cdot \frac{sin\frac{t}{2}}{\frac{t}{2}}\right)####=\frac{1}{4}##Latex thing is neat will use in future
 
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Can't you use L'hospital's rule since you have an indeterminate limit?

Where lim x→π = f(x)/g(x) is also = lim x→π f'(x)/g'(x)

So just take the derivative of the top divided by the derivative of the bottom. Don't for get chain rule and that π2 is a constant, do not change π2 into 2π. A lot of calculus students make that mistake.

Also remember the derivative of cosθ is -sinθ (A lot of calculus students forget the negative as well)
 
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Can you? Sure. His solution is fine though.

##\lim_{x\to \pi}\frac{xcos\frac{x}{2}}{\pi^{2}-x{^2}}##

=

##\lim_{x\to \pi}\frac{xsin\frac{x}{2}}{4x}##

=

##\frac{1}{4}##
 
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