What is the logarithmic equation for 3e3y-6 = 2x2-1?

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The discussion revolves around the logarithmic equation derived from the expression 3e^(3y-6) = 2x^2 - 1. Participants are exploring the correct manipulation of logarithmic properties and the implications for solving for y.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply logarithmic identities and properties to isolate y. There are questions about the correct application of logarithmic rules, particularly regarding the treatment of terms within logarithms and the handling of parentheses.

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Some participants have provided corrections and clarifications regarding the logarithmic steps taken, while others are questioning the accuracy of previous manipulations. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and approaches to the problem.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the placement of terms within logarithmic functions and the assumptions made about the original equation. Participants are also discussing the implications of these assumptions on the final expression for y.

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3e3y-6 = 2x2-1
ln3e3y-6=ln2x2-lne
ln3e3y-6=ln2x2/lne
3e3y-6=2x2/e
3e3y-6*e=2x2
e3y-6=(2/3)x2
3y-6=ln((2/3)x2)
3y=ln((2/3)x2)+6
y=(1/3)ln((2/3)x2)+2

I wonder the answer is correct, the question is asking about the equation of y.
 
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fr33pl4gu3 said:
3e3y-6 = 2x2-1
ln3e3y-6=ln2x2-1
Be carefule with parentheses: you mean ln3e3y-6=ln(2x2-1) because you are taking the log of the entire right side: 2x2- 1.

ln3e3y-6=ln2x2-lne
You see? Now you are treating that "-1" as if it were outside the logarithm: it isn't.

ln3e3y-6=ln2x2/lne
And even if it were, "ln a- ln b" is NOT "ln a/ln b" it is ln(a/b)

3e3y-6=2x2/e
If you reverse what you did in the first step you should just come back to the first step! You don't because you have done it wrong.
ln(3e3y- 6)= ln(e3y- 6)+ ln 3= 3y- 6+ ln 3
3y- 6+ ln 3= ln(2x2- 1)

Solve that for y.

3e3y-6*e=2x2
e3y-6=(2/3)x2
3y-6=ln((2/3)x2)
3y=ln((2/3)x2)+6
y=(1/3)ln((2/3)x2)+2

I wonder the answer is correct, the question is asking about the equation of y.
No, make the corrections I suggested.
 


ln(3e3y- 6)= ln(e3y- 6)+ ln 3= 3y- 6+ ln 3
3y- 6+ ln 3= ln(2x2- 1)
3y-6 = ln((2x2-1)/3)
3y = ln ((2x2-1)/3) + 6
y=(1/3)ln((2x2-1)/3)+2
 


Yes, that's what I got
 


New Question:

log8(9y + 14) = 6x6-11
9y+14 = 86x6-11

The next step is it by entering this step??
 


If you're solving for y again then yes that is correct as a next step.
 


the next 2 step will be:

ln 9y + 14 = ln86x6-11
ln 9y + 14 = 6x6-11 ln8
 


log8(9y + 14) = 6x6-11
9y+14 = 86x6-11
ln (9y + 14) = ln86x6-11
ln (9y + 14) = (6x6-11) ln8
ln 9y + ln 14 = (6x6-11)ln8
ln9y=(6x6-11)ln8 - ln 14
y=((6x6-11)ln8 - ln 14)/ln9

Solve the equation of y, i wonder if this is right?
 


fr33pl4gu3 said:
ln(3e3y- 6)= ln(e3y- 6)+ ln 3= 3y- 6+ ln 3
This is NOT the equation you gave before! Before it was ln(3e3y- 6)

3y- 6+ ln 3= ln(2x2- 1)
And if the "-6" was NOT in the exponent this is wrong. Did you mean "ln(3e3y- 6"?

3y-6 = ln((2x2-1)/3)
3y = ln ((2x2-1)/3) + 6
y=(1/3)ln((2x2-1)/3)+2
 
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Hi fr33pl4gu3!
fr33pl4gu3 said:
ln (9y + 14) = (6x6-11) ln8
ln 9y + ln 14 = (6x6-11)ln8

No … ln (9y + 14) is not the same as ln 9y + ln 14, is it? :wink:

btw you should learn the very useful formula lnab = lnb/lna :smile:
 

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