What is the longest wave-lenght of a photon?

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The discussion centers on the concept of the longest wavelength of a photon, noting that there is no defined upper limit for photon wavelengths. Theoretical considerations suggest that the length of the universe could serve as a practical limit, but in reality, photons are quantum entities and do not possess a fixed wavelength. At extremely low frequencies, photons have low energy, making them increasingly difficult to detect due to signal-to-noise ratio challenges. Additionally, while generating low-frequency electromagnetic waves is possible, effectively radiating them into space requires significant power and appropriate equipment. Ultimately, electromagnetic theory imposes no upper limit on wavelength, and the smallest frequency approaches zero, which complicates detection.
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What is the longest wave-lenght of a photon particle in the nature and can it be longer?
 
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There is no simply defined upper limit for the wavelength of light. I suppose one mught argue the length of the universe is a practical limit.
 
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Why would the length of the universe be a limit? I am sure there are radio waves in my room right with wave lengths much bigger than my room. Am I missing something?

Also, in the cases of black holes and places in the universe too far away for us to view, aren't these red shifted into infinitely long wavelengths?
 
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In theory there is no longest wavelength. As a practical matter, the length of the universe may be the longest in existence.
 
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What is the longest wave-lenght of a photon particle in the nature and can it be longer?
Your question is fundamentally flawed, I'm afraid because it's harder than that, in fact. Photons do not 'have a wavelength'. They are not classical particles but quantum entities. What you 'are allowed' to say is that the EM wave they are associated with, has a wavelength. There is no fundamental maximum for wavelength but EM at very low frequencies has very low energy photons and becomes harder and harder to detect because you just can't make receiving equipment that can 'extract' the signal out of the space it's traveling through. (The antenna would have to be several thousand km long to intercept a 50Hz signal)
 
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Your question is fundamentally flawed, I'm afraid because it's harder than that, in fact. Photons do not 'have a wavelength'. They are not classical particles but quantum entities. What you 'are allowed' to say is that the EM wave they are associated with, has a wavelength. There is no fundamental maximum for wavelength but EM at very low frequencies has very low energy photons and becomes harder and harder to detect because you just can't make receiving equipment that can 'extract' the signal out of the space it's traveling through. (The antenna would have to be several thousand km long to intercept a 50Hz signal)
In addition they would be very hard to generate.
 
sophiecentaur said:
Your question is fundamentally flawed, I'm afraid because it's harder than that, in fact. Photons do not 'have a wavelength'. They are not classical particles but quantum entities. What you 'are allowed' to say is that the EM wave they are associated with, has a wavelength. There is no fundamental maximum for wavelength but EM at very low frequencies has very low energy photons and becomes harder and harder to detect because you just can't make receiving equipment that can 'extract' the signal out of the space it's traveling through. (The antenna would have to be several thousand km long to intercept a 50Hz signal)
why can battery-operated amplifiers and oscilloscopes pick up the mains noise (50 Hz in Europe) when you touch the input cable?
 
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In addition they would be very hard to generate.
Not at all hard to generate - all you need to do is to move electrons around with a low frequency electric field. The problem is to generate and radiate enough power at that frequency to be detected remotely in the presence of the ubiquitous noise. All problems in life come down to Signal To Noise Ratio. :smile:
 
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why can battery-operated amplifiers and oscilloscopes pick up the mains noise (50 Hz in Europe) when you touch the input cable?
Because the em wave is not a 'launched wave, traveling free through space but guided on the wire. To launch a significant level of signal into space. from a circuit, it has to be 'matched', which requires a radiating structure that's not much smaller than one wavelength. A wire / person link is a totally different situation.
 
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EM theory imposes no upper limit.
It will take an infinite time to generate a wave of infinite wavelength.
What on Earth (or in the universe) do you have in mind with this question?
 
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The other variant of my question would be what is the smallest frequency of an EM wave
a) in general ?
b) detetected ?
 
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Same answers. The smallest frequency is zero (as far as EM theory is concerned) and it would take an infinite time to detect it.
 
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