What is the mass of NaBr in the mixture?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the mass of NaBr in a mixture of NaCl and NaBr, given the total mass of the mixture and the mass of sodium present. Participants explore various methods to solve the problem, including percent composition and systems of equations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the percent composition of sodium in NaCl and NaBr and notes a discrepancy in the expected percentage of sodium in the mixture.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the moles of Na and using a system of equations to find the masses of Cl and Br in the mixture.
  • A participant performs calculations to find the moles of Na and attempts to derive the mass of Br, but expresses uncertainty about the results.
  • Another participant corrects the approach, emphasizing the need to represent the masses of Cl and Br together and set them equal to the total mass available.
  • A participant later reports finding the masses of Br and Cl, but seeks clarification on how to determine the mass of NaBr from these values.
  • Another participant advises using the moles of Br to find the mass of NaBr, given the 1:1 ratio of Na to Br.
  • A final participant confirms they have calculated the mass correctly, thanking others for their assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the initial approach to solving the problem, with various methods proposed and corrections made throughout. Participants express differing views on the use of percent composition and the correct formulation of equations.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations and assumptions regarding the atomic weights and the relationships between moles of the compounds are not fully resolved, leading to uncertainty in the final mass determination.

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Students working on chemistry problems involving mixtures and stoichiometry, particularly those interested in understanding how to apply percent composition and systems of equations in practical scenarios.

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Homework Statement


A mixture of NaCl and NaBr has a mass of 2.08 g and is found to contain 0.76 g of Na. What is the mass of NaBr in the mixture?

Homework Equations


Molar mass equations (possibly), formula mass

The Attempt at a Solution


I've calculated the percent composition of Na in both NaCl and NaBr to be 36.22 and 63.78% respectively. With the given information I have found that sodium makes up 36.54% of the the total 2.08 g.

I am currently stuck on where to go from here since the mass of sodium in the mixture is a different percentage from an ideal mixture where it would be 28.50% of the mixture. Any help in the right direction would surely be appreciated.
 
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I'm not sure how you can do it using percent compositions, at least I can't see it.

How many moles of Na do you have? Since the elements in each compound are 1 to 1, the moles of Na and Br added together equal the total number of moles of Na in the mixture.
What's the mass of the Br and Cl together? The moles of each times their atomic weight, added together will equal that mass.

I would try solving this as a system of two equations with the two variables being the moles of Cl and Br in the mixture.
 
Bohrok said:
I'm not sure how you can do it using percent compositions, at least I can't see it.

How many moles of Na do you have? Since the elements in each compound are 1 to 1, the moles of Na and Br added together equal the total number of moles of Na in the mixture.
What's the mass of the Br and Cl together? The moles of each times their atomic weight, added together will equal that mass.

I would try solving this as a system of two equations with the two variables being the moles of Cl and Br in the mixture.

I did: [tex]\frac{.76 g Na}{1}[/tex] x [tex]\frac{mol Na}{22.99 g}[/tex] = .033 mol Na

2.08 gmixture - .76 gNa = 1.32 gCl + Br

I then tried: [tex]\frac{.033 mol Na}{1}[/tex] x [tex]\frac{mol Br}{2 mol Na}[/tex] x [tex]\frac{79.909 g}{mol Br}[/tex] = 1.32 g Br

That mass of Br cannot be true, so apparently I am doing something wrong.
 
The last equation is wrong. You won't be using moles of Na, and you need to be adding the masses of Cl and Br.

After you let two variables represent mol of Cl and mol of Br, convert each one to mass with their atomic weights. They need to be added and set equal to the mass of 1.32 g; this mass is the mass of Cl and Br together, not just Br.
 
Sorry, I was slightly confused. Now I have found there to be .266 g of Br and 1.05 g of Cl, matching the total mass. Thank you for the help so far, but I have one final question. How do I determine the mass of NaBr from the mass of Na and Br when Na is split into two different molecules?
 
From what you have, find the number of moles of Br. That number will be the same number of moles of Na in NaBr since Na and Br are 1 to 1. Use that number with the atomic mass of Na and add the masses of the two to get the mass of NaBr.
 
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I've calculated the proper mass; thank you very much for your help.
 

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