What Is the Maximum Angle for a Projectile to Always Increase Its Distance?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the maximum angle at which a projectile can be launched so that its distance from the launch point continuously increases. The context is rooted in projectile motion and the mathematical relationships governing it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting the derivative of distance with respect to time greater than zero to ensure increasing distance. There are attempts to manipulate the distance equation and its derivatives, with some participants questioning the feasibility of solving the resulting equations.

Discussion Status

There are multiple approaches being explored, including derivative analysis and graphical representation of the projectile's trajectory. Some participants have provided insights into the algebraic manipulation of the equations, while others are considering the implications of specific angle values on the distance function.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the equations involved and the potential for numerical values to complicate the analysis. There is also mention of constraints related to the angle and its impact on the distance function.

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Homework Statement


"What is the maximum angle above the horizontal with which a projectile can be
fired so that its distance from its point of firing (on earth) is always increasing?"
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Homework Equations


r^2=t^2 v^2 Cos[x]^2 + (-4.905 t^2 + t v Sin[x])^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried setting dr/dt > 0 so that the distance is always increasing as well as I have also tried setting
dr^2/dt > 0. However, I don't know how to solve the equation after getting to this point(mathematica doesn't help either as it says there is no method for solving that equation with Solve[]). Or even if that is what I'm supposed to do
 
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What did your work look like when you set dr/dt>0. This sounds like the right approach.
Based on what you have above, carrying out the squaring of the polynomial and combining the (sin^2 + cos^2 ) terms should give the form below.
## r^2 = t^2 v^2 \cos^2 x + 4.905^2t^4+t^2v^2\sin^2 x - 9.810t^3 v \sin x ##
##r^2=t^2 v^2+ 4.905^2t^4- 9.810t^3 v \sin x##
 
That is the same that I got. The derivative I get is 2v^2t+3vgt^2sin(theta)+g^2t^3 which I set equal to 0 then solve for theta and get theta=arcsin[(-g^2t^3-2v^2t)\(3vgt^2)]
 
If you plot an example ##r^2(t)## for the case where your angle x is bound to be too large then you'll get a curve that looks something like this:

Fig1.gif

(For the plot I assumed an initial velocity of 1 m/s and chose a launch angle of 73°. The plot covers the trajectory from launch to time of landing assuming level ground)

What needs to happen in order to make that downslope portion (where the distance-squared is decreasing) go away?
 
Don't plug in a numerical value for g, it just makes the numbers messy.
Apart from that, you can follow gneill's idea or see at which point the definition of theta found in post 3 does not work any more.
 
RUber said:
##r^2=t^2 v^2+ 4.905^2t^4- 9.810t^3 v \sin x##
Taking the derivative with respect to time will give t( quadratic ).
When you are want a function to always be positive, you are saying that there will be no real roots, or that the stuff inside the square root in the quadratic equation will always be less than or equal to zero.
This should allow you to get a numerical value for x that does not depend on v.
 
Just in case anyone was wondering, I tried a different method and was able to get an answer. starting with that statement that if
| r(t_final) | > | r(t) | then dr/dt>0
 

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