What Is the Maximum Wavelength to Break the Weakest Bond in AsClF42-?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum wavelength of electromagnetic radiation capable of breaking the weakest bond in the molecule AsClF42-. Participants are exploring the bond energies provided and how to utilize them in the context of the problem, which is framed as a homework exercise.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to calculate the bond energies for As-Cl and Cl-F bonds from the provided values of As-As, F-F, and Cl-Cl.
  • Another participant questions whether there is additional information needed to answer the question, suggesting that the data given may be insufficient.
  • A participant shares formulas for calculating energy and wavelength, indicating that the smallest bond energy should be used, but expresses confusion about how to derive the bond energies for As-Cl and Cl-F from the provided data.
  • Some participants speculate that the given bond energies may be dummy values, as they differ significantly from literature values, particularly for As-As.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on how to calculate the bond energies or the validity of the provided values. There is disagreement regarding the reliability of the bond energy data, with some suggesting they may be dummy values.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the provided bond energy values and the potential need for additional context or information to accurately solve the problem.

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Hello,

I have a doubt in anexercise from MIT:
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Calculate the maximum wavelength, λ, of electromagnetic radiation capable of breaking the weakest bond in of AsClF42-.

Bond Energies (kJ/mol): As-As 180; F-F 160; Cl-Cl 240.

Enter the numerical value of λ in meters:
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This molecule has As-Cl and Cl-F bonds, but I don't know how to calculate these bonds energies from the given values. Does anynone know how to do that?

Thanks a lot.
 
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Could there be a previous question with some additional information? Because the question cannot be answered with the data given.
 
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There's a previous question simliar to that, but I can't find the statement. However, I know the formulas are:

Energy (J) = [BE * 1000] / Avogador's number

Where:
BE: Bond energy (KJ/mol)

Wavelength (m) = (h * c) / Energy

Where:
h: Plancks' constant (m^2 * kg * s^-1)
c: Speed of light (m * s^-1)

In this case, BE should be the smallest value among the bond energies found in the molecule. I find that this molecule only has two types of bonds: As-Cl and Cl-F. However, I don't know how to calculate any of these bonds' energies from the data given (Bond energies of As-As 180; F-F 160; Cl-Cl 240).

I thought of taking the mean value of two given bond energies, for example :

Bond energy of As-Cl = (Bond energy of As-As + Bond energy of Cl-Cl) / 2

But this didn't work. Do you know how to do that?
 
Are the given bond energies dummy values? Because literature says As-As is around 380 kJ/mol.[1][2]
 
Mayhem said:
Are the given bond energies dummy values? Because literature says As-As is around 380 kJ/mol.[1][2]
As they are different from the literature values, I suppose they are dummy. Thanks for your help.
 

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