What Is the Meaning of "(f(x+h)-f(x))/h to ( f(x+h)/f(x) )^(1/h)

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of the limit definition of a derivative, specifically changing the expression from \((f(x+h)-f(x))/h\) to \((f(x+h)/f(x))^{(1/h)}\) as \(h\) approaches zero. Participants explore the implications and potential significance of this transformation in the context of limits and differentiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculations showing that the limit for various functions results in expressions involving \(e^{1/x}\), suggesting a potential relationship between the two forms of limits.
  • Another participant suggests taking the logarithm of the transformed limit as a method to analyze it further.
  • A later reply indicates that the limit can be expressed as \(e^{(d/dx) \ln(f(x))}\), highlighting a connection to differentiation through logarithmic transformation.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of conjugating differentiation with the logarithm operation, proposing that this could facilitate repeated differentiation for certain functions.

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Participants appear to explore various interpretations and implications of the limit transformation without reaching a consensus on its significance or utility. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented, indicating an ongoing debate.

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Some participants reference concepts from advanced mathematics, such as normal subgroups and operators, which may not be universally understood. The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of logarithmic differentiation and its potential benefits, but these are not universally accepted or resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying calculus, particularly in the context of limits and differentiation, as well as individuals exploring advanced mathematical concepts related to logarithmic transformations.

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I was looking at the definition for a limit when I was wondering what would happen if you changed this

(f(x+h)-f(x))/h

to this

( f(x+h)/f(x) )^(1/h)

with h going to zero in both cases. I did a few calculations with the second limit on my graphing calculator and got this:

function limit
f(x) = x e^(1/x)
f(x) = x^3 e^(3/x)
f(x) = sin(x) e^(1/tax(x))

Does this limit have any kind of importance beyond just being an interesting limit? I was trying to come up with a limit which would measure the ratio a function increases by over a small distance rather than the difference (as for the derivative).
 
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Try taking the log of it.
 
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Try taking the log of it.
Thanks for the help.

After I posted last night I continued studying the limit and eventually realized that limit when applied to a function was equal to e^(d/dx ln(f(x))), which I thought was interesting because rather than Df we have L^-1 D L f, where D is d/dx, L is ln(x), and f is the function. It reminds me of something I read about normal subgroups, though I don't think that'd apply here.
 
Well, you are effectively conjugating differentiation by the log operation. One application would be that applying this operator repeatedly, the inner logs and exps cancel and you are left with something like (LDL-1)n = L Dn L-1. I don't know if this is useful, but maybe by picking the right operator/function L, you can do repeated differentiation of some functions more easily this way.
 

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