What is the Meaning of Lie and Covariant Derivatives in Curved Spaces?

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of Lie and covariant derivatives as generalizations of derivatives in curved spaces, particularly in the context of momentum and angular momentum in physics. It establishes that the momentum operator acts as a derivative of a function, paralleling the roles of Lie and covariant derivatives. The conversation also clarifies that what is referred to as a Lie operator is actually a left or right invariant vector field, which is an element of a Lie algebra. For further understanding, references to the Poincaré group and specific realizations of Lie algebras are provided.

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From the "Lie Group" theory point of view we know that:

[tex]p[/tex] := is the generator for traslation (if the Lagrangian is invariant under traslation then p is conserved)

[tex]L[/tex]:= s the generator for rotation (if the Lagrangian is invariant under traslation then L is conserved)

(I'm referring to momentum p and Angular momentum L, although the notation is obvious :blushing: )

My question is if we take the "Lie derivative" and "covariant derivative" as a generalization of derivative for curved spaces.. if we suppose they're Lie operators..what's their meaning?..if the momentum operator acts like this:

[tex]pf(x)\rightarrow \frac{df}{dx}[/tex] derivative of the function..could the same holds for Lie and covariant derivative (covariant derivative is just a generalization to gradient, and i think that Lie derivatives can be expressed in some cases as Covariant derivatives, in QM the momentum vector applied over the wave function is just the gradient of the [tex]\psi[/tex]
 
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You confuse several levels here. What you call Lie operator is a left (or right) invariant vector field, an element of a Lie algebra. The example you gave for ##p## is just a possible representation, better realization of a Lie algebra. If we come from a group of smooth functions we will get a natural operation of the Lie algebra elements as Lie derivatives on these functions. Your example looks like the Poincaré group (algebra). For a general context of Lie derivatives see:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/pantheon-derivatives-part-ii/ and following parts

And here is an example of a realization of ##\mathfrak{sl}(2) \cong \mathfrak{su}(2)## as differential operators on ##\mathcal{C}^\infty(\mathbb{R})## (sec. 6.2 and 7.3):
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2-part-ii/
 

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