What is the missing number and why?

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The discussion revolves around identifying a missing number in a numerical puzzle and exploring the reasoning behind various proposed solutions. Participants analyze patterns, sums, and relationships within the numbers presented in the puzzle.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest the missing number is 5, citing various patterns and reasoning.
  • Others propose that the missing number could be 9, as it would make the total a perfect square when added to the other numbers.
  • One participant introduces a method based on the number of letters in the words for the numbers, concluding that the missing number must be odd and likely 5.
  • Another participant questions the possibility of the missing number being 4, arguing that it maintains a 1:1 ratio of column sums to row sums.
  • There are multiple interpretations of the sums of rows and columns, leading to different conclusions about the missing number.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the missing number, with multiple competing views and reasoning presented throughout the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the patterns and relationships in the puzzle, and the reasoning behind their proposed solutions varies significantly.

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What's the missing number and why?

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5 [and this just to submit the post, damn 4 characters! ]
 
drizzle said:
5 [and this just to submit the post, damn 4 characters! ]

why?
 
ƒ(x) said:
why?

21
23
25
27
 
I thought that too, but you beat me to it. You don't think there might be a pattern in the columns?
 
24 22 22 28 :biggrin:

hold on a sec!
 
1st sum [raw]= 1st sum [column]-3
2nd sum [raw]= 2nd sum [column]+1
3rd sum [raw]= 3rd sum [column]+3
4th sum [raw]= 4th sum [column]-1

so :rolleyes:
 
I guess that works. But this puzzle could have more than one answer. When you add all of the number up you get 91. So the ? could be a 9, making the total a perfect square :biggrin:
 
Another (and stupid) way to get 5:

Each row and column has two numbers that have 4 letters, hence the missing number must have 4 letters. Each row has an odd number of odd values, and each column has an even number of odd values. Hence, the missing number must be odd. The only choices being 5 or 9. Looking at the rows, no number is more than 3 away from its neighbors, hence, the number cannot be 9, and must be 5.

DaveE
 
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What about 4?

Look at the total for each column and each row.

Column 1: 24
Column 2: 23
Column 3: ?
Column 4: 27

Row 1: 21
Row 2: 23
Row 3: ?
Row 4: 27

If you use 4, that means the 3rd row is 24 and the 3rd column is 21. Therefore there is a 1:1 ratio of the frequency of column sums to row sums.

..right?
 
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revelations said:
What about 4?

Look at the total for each column and each row.

Column 1: 24
Column 2: 23
Column 3: ?
Column 4: 27
Row 1: 21
Row 2: 23
Row 3: ?
Row 4: 27

If you use 4, that means the 3rd row is 24 and the 3rd column is 21. Therefore there is a 1:1 ratio of the frequency of column sums to row sums.

..right?

check it :)
 

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