What is the Momentum Change in Pairs Figure Skating?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to momentum in pairs figure skating, specifically examining the momentum changes of a heavier male skater and a lighter female skater as they skate towards each other and come to a stop. The problem also explores the implications of momentum conservation when the male skater tosses the female skater.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between mass, velocity, and momentum change, questioning whether the heavier or lighter skater undergoes a greater momentum change. There are attempts to apply the principle of conservation of momentum to both parts of the question.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the application of momentum conservation, indicating that the reasoning for the first part of the question should lead to the same conclusion regardless of the skaters' speeds. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the skaters coming to a stop and how that affects their momentum changes.

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Participants are navigating through assumptions about the skaters' masses and velocities, noting that exact values are necessary for definitive answers. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the application of momentum principles in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Question: In pairs figure skating, the heavy muscular male and the petite female skater skate towards each other and come to a stop when the female is lifted. Who undergoes a bigger momentum change?

a. the heavier skater
b. the lighter skater
c. same momentum change
d. we must know the exact masses and velocities to answer this question

Second part of the question: Continuing from the previous question, the heavy male skater proceeds to toss the lighter female skater, what happens to the male skater?

a. he moves back just as fast as the lighter skater
b. he does not move at all
c. he starts spinning
d. he moves back but at a lower speed than the lighter skater

Homework Equations


moment = mass x velocity

The Attempt at a Solution


First part of the question:
This is a question my friend posted on Snapchat and it got me wondering. His answer is (c (same momentum change)), but I think the answer should me (d). Here is my explanation: since "momentum = mass x velocity", if the petite female skater is going at a higher speed than the heavy muscular male, it is possible that they might have the same momentum change, which is why we must know the exact masses and velocities to answer this question. Is my explanation correct? Which is the correct answer?

Second part of the question:
My answer for this one would be (d). Here is my explanation: Since momentum is conserved, and momentum is defined as "mass x velocity", and the female skater is lighter, the heavier skater needs to be at a lower speed in order to be equal to the momentum of the female skater. Is my answer and explanation correct for this question?
 
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uni2820 said:
but I think the answer should me (d). Here is my explanation: since "momentum = mass x velocity", if the petite female skater is going at a higher speed than the heavy muscular male, it is possible that they might have the same momentum change, which is why we must know the exact masses and velocities to answer this question. Is my explanation correct? Which is the correct answer?
No, your explanation is not correct. You applied momentum conservation to the second part of the question, but it also applies here.

uni2820 said:
Second part of the question:
My answer for this one would be (d). Here is my explanation: Since momentum is conserved, and momentum is defined as "mass x velocity", and the female skater is lighter, the heavier skater needs to be at a lower speed in order to be equal to the momentum of the female skater. Is my answer and explanation correct for this question?
Good.
 
Doc Al said:
No, your explanation is not correct. You applied momentum conservation to the second part of the question, but it also applies here.

Do you mind correcting my explanation? What would the answer be in that case then?
 
uni2820 said:
Do you mind correcting my explanation?

You had written:
uni2820 said:
Here is my explanation: since "momentum = mass x velocity", if the petite female skater is going at a higher speed than the heavy muscular male, it is possible that they might have the same momentum change,
Your reasoning is backwards. Since momentum is conserved, any change in one skater's momentum must be equal and opposite to the change in the other's.

Given that they end up at rest, then you can conclude that the lighter female skater must have been going faster. But that's not the issue here. The answer to this part of the question would be the same regardless of their speeds.

uni2820 said:
What would the answer be in that case then?
Your friend's answer was correct.
 
The clue is the statement that they "come to a stop". That means after they meet the total momentum is zero. So by conservation of momentum the total momentum before they meet must also be zero. That's possible because they are going in opposite directions. eg..

mmvm + mgvg = 0
or
mmvm = - mgvg
 
uni2820 said:
Second part of the question:
My answer for this one would be (d). Here is my explanation: Since momentum is conserved, and momentum is defined as "mass x velocity", and the female skater is lighter, the heavier skater needs to be at a lower speed in order to be equal to the momentum of the female skater. Is my answer and explanation correct for this question?

Correct.
 
CWatters said:
The clue is the statement that they "come to a stop".
Even if they didn't "come to a stop", the answer to the first part would be the same.
 

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