What is the Mystery Number Sequence?

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving a sequence of numbers defined by specific multiplicative relationships between its digits. Participants explore different approaches to solve the equations derived from these relationships, considering both arithmetic and geometric series.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents equations based on the multiplication of digits in a sequence, leading to a system of equations involving two unknowns.
  • Another participant suggests solving the problem as a quadratic equation to express one variable in terms of another, indicating that multiple solutions exist.
  • A different participant challenges the approach, stating that the system can be reduced to a fourth-order polynomial, which could yield four solutions.
  • Further discussion includes a suggestion to switch from an arithmetic series to a geometric series, which some participants argue could simplify the problem significantly.
  • One participant notes that the resulting fourth-order polynomial can be treated as a second-order polynomial in a different variable, potentially leading to simpler solutions.
  • Specific solutions are proposed by one participant, including pairs of values for the first term and the common difference of the sequence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to solve the problem, with some advocating for the use of a quadratic equation and others suggesting a geometric series. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing methods and interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully agreed on the assumptions underlying the choice of series (arithmetic vs. geometric) or the implications of the derived equations, which may affect the solutions proposed.

devanlevin
in a sequence, it is known that the multiplication of the 1st and second digits gives an answer or 4, the multiplication of the 3rd and 4th gives 70

A1*A2=A1*(A1+d)=4
A3*A4=(A1+2d)(A1+3d)=70

A1^2+A1d=4

A1^2+3A1d+2A1d+6d^2=70
A1^2+5A1d+6d^2=70

A1^2=4-A1d

4-A1d+5A1d+6d^2=70
4A1d+6d^2=66
3d^2+2A1d=33

from here i don't know what to do,
 
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"from here i don't know what to do"

Solve it as a quadratic to get a solution in the form of d as a function of A1. BTW this means there is not just one solution but a whole family of them.

BTW. Is there any particular reason that you chose to use an arithmetic series? It's dead easy if you choose to use a geometric series.
 
how do i do that?
 
uart said:
"from here i don't know what to do"

Solve it as a quadratic to get a solution in the form of d as a function of A1. BTW this means there is not just one solution but a whole family of them.

Incorrect.

You have two equations in two unkwowns; you may reduce the system to one unknown being the solution of a fourth-order polynomial, yielding 4 solutions to the problem.
 
devanlevin said:
how do i do that?

Do what, solve the quadratic or use a geometric series instead of an arithmetic series?

To finish your current solution solve your last equation (3d^2+2A1d-33=0) using the quadratic formula to express d in terms of A1. Then continue (as arildno corrected me) and subtitute that back into the other equation (A1^2=4-A1d) to get an equation in terms of A1 alone. Solve this equation by re-arranging to get the sqare-root term on one side and all other terms on the other side of the equals. Now square both sides to get a 4th order polynomal which may require numerical methods to solve.

Alternatively if there is no particular reason for using an arithmetic series instead of a gemetric series then just use the sequence a, ar, ar^2, ar^3 etc which makes the problem trivial to solve. (you get r^4 = 70/4 with very little effort).

BTW. You still haven't told me why you feel that you should use an arithmetic series?
 
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As it happens, you'll get "lucky", in that the resulting fourth-order polynomial is really a second-order polynomial in the variable A^2. That can be readily solved, and if you are really good, your solutions will agree with mine:
[tex]A_{1}^{(1)}=1,d^{(1)}=3[/tex]
[tex]A_{1}^{(2)}=-1,d^{(2)}=-3[/tex]
[tex]A_{1}^{(3)}=4\sqrt{3},d^{(3)}=-\frac{11}{\sqrt{3}}[/tex]
[tex]A_{1}^{(4)}=-4\sqrt{3},d^{(4)}=\frac{11}{\sqrt{3}}[/tex]
 

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