What is the nullspace of (A-2E)^2?

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The discussion revolves around the nullspace of the operator (A-2E)^2, particularly in the context of Jordan canonical form and similarity transformations. Participants explore the implications of these transformations on the nullspaces of different representations of the operator.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that vectors in the null space of (A-2E)^3 are also in the null space of ([A]' - 2[E])^2, suggesting a connection between the two representations.
  • Another participant argues that the operators ([A]'-2[E])^2 and ([A] - 2[E])^2 do not necessarily have the same nullspaces, raising questions about the implications of the similarity transformation.
  • A later reply acknowledges the confusion but ultimately concludes that the two operators can be shown to have the same nullspace vectors when written out explicitly.
  • There is a correction regarding the notation used for the similarity transformation, clarifying the representation of the operators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the nullspaces of the two operators are the same, with some initially disagreeing but later acknowledging a resolution upon further examination of the operators.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the similarity transformation and the conditions under which the nullspaces may be considered equivalent. The discussion highlights the complexity of operator transformations and their effects on nullspaces.

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Please note: Below, I keep trying to put [ capital B ] but it gets turned into !

In Dennery and Krzywicki, they give an example of how to put a matrix in Jordan canonical form (pp. 167-170). They start with a 4x4 matrix [A] that looks kind of messy and transform it to a quasi-diagonal form [A]' = [B^(-1)] [A] that is less full (I'm distinguishing between operators A and their matrix representations [A]). So far so good.

They go on to say that vectors in the null space of (A-2E)^3 are also in the null space of ([A]' - 2[E])^2. This, they say, shows that A has no generalized eigenvectors of rank 3. They seem to be assuming that if ([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = 0 then (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0 (|v> is a vector without reference to a particular basis, and [v]' = [B^(-1)] [v]). Then they would have

(A-2E)^3 |v> = 0 implies that (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0

and this statement does indeed seem incompatible with the existence of a generalized eigenvector of rank 3 for A.

Now for my big confusion:

If ([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = 0 is just a particular representation of (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0, then it would seem that so is ([A]-2[E])^2 [v] = 0. But

([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = ([B^(-1)] [A] - 2[E])^2 [B^(-1)] [v] =

[B^(-1)]^2 ([A] - 2[E])^2 ^2 [B^(-1)] [v] =

[B^(-1)]^2 ([A] - 2[E])^2 [v] = 0.

The operators ([A]'-2[E])^2 and ([A] - 2[E])^2 do not seem to have to same vectors in their nullspaces. There is a factor of that would have to be the identity matrix there in the last equation. So what, then, does it mean to talk about *the* nullspace of (A-2E)^2? What would particular representations of the operator look like?
 
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That should be
[ A ]' = [ B-1 ] [ A ] [ B ]

[B] comes out looking like due to forum tags

it is obvious that ([ A ]'-2[ E ])2 and ([ A ] - 2[ E ])2 do have to same vectors in their nullspaces as

[ B ]([ A ]'-2[ E ])2=([ A ] - 2[ E ])2[ B ]
 
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I don't see how that last statement is true. If I replace [A]' with the similarity transformation and plug it into the equation on the left hand side, I don't see how the right hand side results. There would be a factor of the inverse of B squared, for instance, no?

Also, I don't see how equality on multiplying by the inverse of B implies equality of the nullspace vectors.
 
Wait. Actually I do see it now. If you write the squared factors out explicitly and replace [A]' with the similarity transformation in each factor, the two operators I mentioned can be seen to have the same nullspace vectors. Thanks!

I should mention that before, I was pushing operators through several terms without realizing it. Writing out the factors explicitly kept me from doing that.
 
Oops your right that should have been

[ B ]([ A ]'-2[ E ])2=([ A ] - 2[ E ])2[ B ]
 

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