What is the odds of being a professor at a top tier university?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the prospects of becoming a professor at a top-tier university, particularly in fields such as mathematics and physics. Participants explore the competitive nature of academia, the number of available positions compared to the number of PhDs awarded, and the implications for those who do not secure such positions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant estimates that the chance of a top graduate student becoming a professor at a top university is approximately 1 in 30, based on historical hiring patterns.
  • Another participant argues that many successful individuals in academia have had non-academic jobs, suggesting that a professorship is not the only path to fulfillment.
  • Concerns are raised about the number of PhDs who end up in jobs unrelated to their advanced training, with some expressing sadness over this situation.
  • Some participants emphasize that the competitiveness of academia is not unique to physics and that many graduates contribute to their fields outside of prestigious positions.
  • There is a discussion about the perceived value of working at "second" or "third tier" universities, with some arguing that research productivity is not necessarily tied to university rankings.
  • One participant challenges the notion that PhDs in physics are "non-marketable," citing low unemployment rates for PhDs in science and engineering.
  • Concerns are expressed about underemployment among PhDs, with a participant noting that while unemployment may be low, many are not in jobs that align with their qualifications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the likelihood of securing a professorship at a top university, the value of non-academic careers, and the marketability of PhDs. There is no consensus on these issues, with multiple competing perspectives presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various statistics regarding PhD employment and hiring trends, but these figures are not universally accepted or agreed upon. The discussion reflects differing assumptions about the nature of academic careers and the value of various educational paths.

  • #31
It sounds like the only reason you want to be a professor, PhysicsMonk, is for the ego boost. To show the world you're the best.

You may make it. You may become a professor at an ivy-league university. You may have graduate students who worship the ground you walk on (at least, until they get that slip of paper and they're no longer your slaves). But will that make you happy forever knowing you will be the professor teaching the course every student just has to "get through" so they can get their degree because you don't even care about the students or their success?

If you really want to teach at an excellent school, please do it because you love the work, not for the bragging rights. I imagine that most people get bored of those rights after a few years and kinda wish they'd done something they actually like (or pays the bills) than something they can use to say to an average Joe on the street, "I teach at Yale! Yeah, that school you hear about in movies! You'll never make it there! Bahaha!"

I'm not insulting you. Just trying to help you. Think what will make you happy. Forget about everyone else, about all the possible accolades, rewards, power, or praise you can receive from everyone else. Think about what YOU want to do.

PhysicsMonk said:
I think it is pretty sad you have a lot of people with many years of experience from getting their phd, and do a job that any HS drop out can do.

Have you ever thought about people who clean junior high schools because they enjoy it and don't care about what other people think of them?
 

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