What Is the Orbit of a Planet in a Gravitational Field with This Metric?

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The discussion revolves around finding the orbit of a planet in a gravitational field described by a specific metric. The problem is situated within the context of general relativity and involves the Newtonian limit, with initial conditions provided for the planet's position and velocity.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of connection coefficients and the formulation of geodesic equations. There is an exploration of how to apply the Newtonian limit to simplify these equations. Some participants question the interpretation of the metric and the implications of the terms involved, particularly regarding the relationship between proper time and coordinate time.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the weak-field approximation and its implications for the problem, though multiple interpretations of the metric and its application remain under consideration.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the proper application of the metric components and their relationship to the Newtonian limit. Participants are also navigating the implications of their assumptions about the gravitational field and the nature of the spacetime interval.

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Homework Statement


Find the orbit of a planet in a grav. field corresponding to the metric

[tex]d\tau^2=(1+\alpha^2(x^2+y^2))dt^2-(dx^2+dy^2+dz^2)[/tex]

in the Newtonian limit with the initial conditions at t=0, x=R, dx/dt=[itex]\beta[/itex],0=y=z=dy/dt=dz/dt where alpha and beta are cositive constants.

Homework Equations


The Levi-Civita connexion and the geodesic equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculates the connexion coefficients and wrote down the 4 geodesic equations with the proper time as the parameter:

[tex]\frac{d^2t}{d\tau^2}+\frac{2\alpha^2x}{(1+\alpha^2(x^2+y^2))} \frac{dt}{d\tau}\frac{dx}{d\tau}+\frac{2\alpha^2y}{(1+\alpha^2(x^2+y^2))}\frac{dt}{d\tau}\frac{dy}{d\tau}=0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2x}{d\tau^2}+\alpha^2x\left(\frac{dt}{d\tau}\right)^2=0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{d\tau^2}+\alpha^2y\left(\frac{dt}{d\tau}\right)^2=0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2z}{d\tau^2}=0[/tex]

I can solve the 4th equation of course:

[tex]z(\tau)=a\tau +b[/tex]

and if I understand correctly, the Newtonian limit means that

[tex]\frac{dx^i}{d\tau}<<\frac{dt}{d\tau}[/tex]

But I don't see how that can be applied here to simplify the equations.
 
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quasar987 said:

Homework Statement


Find the orbit of a planet in a grav. field corresponding to the metric

[tex]d\tau^2=(1+\alpha^2(x^2+y^2))dt^2-(dx^2+dy^2+dz^2)[/tex]

in the Newtonian limit with the initial conditions at t=0, x=R, dx/dt=[itex]\beta[/itex],0=y=z=dy/dt=dz/dt where alpha and beta are cositive constants.

Homework Equations


The Levi-Civita connexion and the geodesic equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculates the connexion coefficients and wrote down the 4 geodesic equations with the proper time as the parameter:

[tex]\frac{d^2t}{d\tau^2}+\frac{2\alpha^2x}{(1+\alpha^2(x^2+y^2))} \frac{dt}{d\tau}\frac{dx}{d\tau}+\frac{2\alpha^2y}{(1+\alpha^2(x^2+y^2))}\frac{dt}{d\tau}\frac{dy}{d\tau}=0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2x}{d\tau^2}+\alpha^2x\left(\frac{dt}{d\tau}\right)^2=0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{d\tau^2}+\alpha^2y\left(\frac{dt}{d\tau}\right)^2=0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2z}{d\tau^2}=0[/tex]

I can solve the 4th equation of course:

[tex]z(\tau)=a\tau +b[/tex]

and if I understand correctly, the Newtonian limit means that

[tex]\frac{dx^i}{d\tau}<<\frac{dt}{d\tau}[/tex]

But I don't see how that can be applied here to simplify the equations.


In the Newtonian limit you can set t = tau so [itex]\frac{dt}{d \tau} = 1[/itex].

And, of course, [itex]\frac{d^2t}{d \tau^2} =0[/itex].
So the equations become trivial to solve.
 
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Are you sure?

[tex]d\tau^2=g_{\mu\nu}dx^{\mu}dx^{\nu}[/tex]

And here, [itex]g_{ii}=-1[/itex], [itex]g_{00}=1+\alpha^2(x^2+y^2)[/itex] so

[tex]d\tau^2=(g_{00}-(dx/dt)^2-(dy/dt)^2-(dz/dt)^2)dt^2[/tex]

and in the small speed limit, this only reduces to

[tex]d\tau^2\approx g_{00}dt^2[/tex]

which is not just dtau=dt because g00 is not just 1.
 
quasar987 said:
Are you sure?

[tex]d\tau^2=g_{\mu\nu}dx^{\mu}dx^{\nu}[/tex]

And here, [itex]g_{ii}=-1[/itex], [itex]g_{00}=1+\alpha^2(x^2+y^2)[/itex] so

[tex]d\tau^2=(g_{00}-(dx/dt)^2-(dy/dt)^2-(dz/dt)^2)dt^2[/tex]

and in the small speed limit, this only reduces to

[tex]d\tau^2\approx g_{00}dt^2[/tex]

which is not just dtau=dt because g00 is not just 1.

You are right. Sorry, I had misread the spacetime interval and thought that the (1+alpha^2(x^2+y^2)) term went with the spatial part. So you have an expression for dt/dtau to replace in all the equations. Using the chain rule you can also get an expression for the second derivative d^2 t/dtau^2.

Sorry for my mistake.
 
Use the weak-field approximation, which gives a straight Newtonian potential of -
[tex]- \frac{1}{2}c^2( 1 + g_{00})[/tex]

You can derive this by assuming the

[tex]g_{ij} = \eta_{ij} + h_{ij}[/tex] where [tex]\eta[/tex] is the flat space metric and h
is a small perturbation.
 
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