What is the origin of the strong red line in the sodium emission spectrum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the origin of a strong red line observed in the sodium emission spectrum, alongside inquiries about the absence of transitions between the s and d series of sodium electrons. Participants explore various aspects of the sodium spectrum, including specific wavelengths and selection rules governing electronic transitions.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a strong red line in the sodium emission spectrum that is not part of the diffuse series and seeks its origin.
  • Another participant suggests checking a database for sodium emission lines and mentions selection rules that may explain the lack of s-d transitions.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of the red line being from either neutral sodium (Na I) or singly ionized sodium (Na II), with references to specific wavelengths.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the identification of the red line as being definitively from sodium.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the questions and whether they are appropriate for undergraduate research.
  • One participant speculates that the red line might be a result of UV emission being down-converted to the optical range by the glass of the tube.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of angular momentum conservation in explaining the absence of s-d transitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the origin of the strong red line, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed regarding its identification and the reasons for the lack of s-d transitions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the specific nature of the red line and the selection rules applicable to sodium, as well as the implications of the experimental setup on observations.

  • #31
Here is a high pressure sodium spectrum from www.umd.edu[/url] in the first attachment, and a listing of visible sodium lines from [url]www.nist.gov[/URL] in the second attachment. In the sodium spectrum, a triplet of red lines is visible. In the NIST table, a quartet of red lines near 6500 Angstroms from ionized sodium are shown. Three of the red lines in the Table are spaced at about 15 Angstroms, and the fourth is only 1.7 Angstroms away, and is probably not resolved. The three red lines visible in the spectrum are probably the three lines listed in the Table.

Bob S
 

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  • #32
Bob, that was the wrong explanation a year ago when you first posted it, and it's the wrong explanation now. He's looking for strong lines, and the lines you have posted are weak.

High pressure sodium is irrelevant. He says he's studying the D-lines, and you have pressure broadening in high pressure sodium that makes this impossible - indeed, there you can have emission in the red: the D-lines can get that broad.

Sodium does not have any strong red lines. However, a sodium vapor tube can have all sorts of other things in it. Mercury, argon and neon are all commonly present. Before trying to figure out why an element without strong lines in the red somehow has strong lines in the red, wouldn't it make sense to ask what exactly is in the tube? And indeed, wasn't the reason spectroscopy was developed to answer the question "which elements am I looking at"?
 

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