Only certain emission lines show up in absorption spectrum

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between emission and absorption spectra, particularly focusing on why only certain emission lines appear in the absorption spectrum of gases. Participants explore the mechanisms of electronic transitions in atoms and the conditions under which specific lines are observed in spectra.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when a gas molecule is bombarded with energy, it makes a direct transition to a higher energy state without stopping at intermediary states.
  • Others argue that while direct transitions are possible, the molecule can also transition through intermediary states, emitting photons at each step as it returns to a lower energy state.
  • It is suggested that transitions from higher energy states to lower ones will show up in the emission spectrum if the source is sufficiently hot, as this increases the population of excited states.
  • Some participants note that the population of atoms in higher energy states is low at lower temperatures, which may result in weak emission lines that do not appear in the spectrum.
  • There is mention of branching factors for transitions, indicating that certain transitions may have higher probabilities than others based on selection rules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of electronic transitions and the conditions necessary for certain lines to appear in the absorption spectrum. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of these transitions and the implications for observed spectra.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about temperature effects on atomic populations and the dependence on selection rules for transitions. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these factors.

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I'm reading Eisberg's Modern Physics and in it, in the atomic spectra chapter, he says:

"We have been discussing the emission spectrum of an atom. A closely related property is the absorption spectrum. This may be measured with apparatus similar to that shown in figure (5-1) except that a source emitting a continuous spectrum is used and a glass-walled cell, containing the monatomic gas to be investigated, is inserted somewhere between the source and the prism. After exposure and development, the photographic plate is found to be darkened everywhere except for a number of unexposed lines. These lines represent a set of discrete wavelength components which were missing from the otherwise continuous spectrum incident upon the prism, and which must have been absorbed by the atoms in the gas cell. It is observed that for every line in the absorption spectrum of an element there is a corresponding (same wavelength) line in its emission spectrum. However, the reverse is not true. Only certain emission lines show up in the absorption spectrum. For hydrogen gas, normally only lines corresponding to the Lyman series appear in the absorption spectrum; but ,when the gas is at very high temperatures, e.g. at the surface of a star, lines corresponding to the Balmer series are found. "

There's a few of questions that come to mind:

1. For an emission spectrum, let's say, for example, it takes 10 eV to get the gas molecule to go from the n = 1 state to the n = 4 state. If I bombard a gas molecule with 10 eV of energy, then does it make a direct transition to that n=4 state or does it (for however small amount of time) stop by the intermediary states?

2. Let's say it's now in this n = 4 state. What happens? I assume it'll try and find it's way back to the n = 1 state. But it'll go from n = 4 to n =3 and emit? And then n = 3 to n = 2 and then emit? And then to n = 1 and emit again?

3. Maybe answers to #1 and #2 above will help, but I didn't get why this had to be true: Only certain emission lines show up in the absorption spectrum.

Thanks so much
 
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eprparadox said:
1. For an emission spectrum, let's say, for example, it takes 10 eV to get the gas molecule to go from the n = 1 state to the n = 4 state. If I bombard a gas molecule with 10 eV of energy, then does it make a direct transition to that n=4 state or does it (for however small amount of time) stop by the intermediary states?
It makes a direct transition.
eprparadox said:
2. Let's say it's now in this n = 4 state. What happens? I assume it'll try and find it's way back to the n = 1 state. But it'll go from n = 4 to n =3 and emit? And then n = 3 to n = 2 and then emit? And then to n = 1 and emit again?
That is possible, but a direct transition back is possible as well. It can also go from 4 to 2 to 1 or from 4 to 3 to 1.

Transitions from 4 to 3 will show up in the emission spectrum if the source is hot enough. To show up in the absorption spectrum you need a large amount of atoms in state 3 - something you'll rarely have in these setups.
 
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Thanks for the response.

Why will the transition from 4 to 3 show up only if the source is hot enough. Is it because if it's not hot enough, there won't be enough states in the n = 4 energy level to begin with?
 
eprparadox said:
Why will the transition from 4 to 3 show up only if the source is hot enough. Is it because if it's not hot enough, there won't be enough states in the n = 4 energy level to begin with?
Right. On the other hand, cold hydrogen won't emit anything anyway, while it will still absorb something.
 
The emission lines do exist for every absorption line, but sometimes these lines are very weak and therefore don't show up in the spectrum. This is because the population of the upper state is low. You can estimate the population using Boltzmann statistics. Higher energy states will barely be populated at lower temperatures.

eprparadox said:
2. Let's say it's now in this n = 4 state. What happens? I assume it'll try and find it's way back to the n = 1 state. But it'll go from n = 4 to n =3 and emit? And then n = 3 to n = 2 and then emit? And then to n = 1 and emit again?
They will all happen with some probability. There is a branching factor for each transition. Typically, the 4 to 1 transition has higher probability than the 4 to 2 or 4 to 3 transitions, if it is allowed by selection rules.
 

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