What is the Orthogonal Property of Vectors in Span?

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The discussion revolves around the orthogonal property of vectors in the context of vector spans, specifically addressing the relationship between a vector that is orthogonal to two other vectors and its orthogonality to their span.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the geometric interpretation of orthogonality and the implications of a vector being orthogonal to both u and v. They discuss the representation of vectors in the span of u and v and the application of the distributive property of the dot product.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical reasoning required to demonstrate the orthogonality of w to the span of u and v. There is an ongoing exploration of how to formally express this relationship using the properties of dot products and scalar multiplication.

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Participants note the need to show that a vector in the span can be expressed in terms of scalars and that the original poster is seeking clarity on how to formally prove the orthogonality condition without assuming prior knowledge of the properties involved.

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Homework Statement



If w is orthogonal to u and v, then show that w is also orthogonal to span ( u , v )

Homework Equations



two orthogonal vectors have a dot product equalling zero

The Attempt at a Solution



I can see this geometrically in my mind, and I know that w . u = 0 and w . v = 0
but I don't know or understand how I can show this for its span in writing.
 
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a vector in span(u,v) is of the form au+bv. So w . (au+bv) = 0, using the distributivity of the dot product.
 
you said that span(u,v) is in this form au+bv

so
w . (au+bv) = 0
w . au + w . bv = 0

where a and b are any scalar numbers
and that's all? There's no more to it?

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thanks grief. That one little bit helped a lot!
 
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war485 said:
you said that span(u,v) is in this form au+bv
No, Grief said a vector in the subspace span(u,v) is of the form au+bv for scalars a and b. To say that a vector is orthogonal to a subspace means that the vector is orthogonal to each vector in that subspace.

war485 said:
so
w . (au+bv) = 0
w . au + w . bv = 0

where a and b are any scalar numbers
and that's all? There's no more to it?
You need to show that given a vector x in span(u,v), we have w.x=0 . From above, x is of the form au+bv, so you want to show that w.(au+bv)=0. This means beginning with w.(au+bv) and showing it equals 0. As Grief already said, to do so just requires distributivity and recognising that w being orthogonal to u and to v means that w.u=0 and w.v=0.
 
To make sure I got this right one more time:
a vector in span(u,v) is in this form au+bv

making (au+bv) dot w = 0 shows it is orthogonal, meaning any vector in that span(u,v) is orthogonal to w
then it'll become w . au + w . bv = 0
then w . au = a(w.u) = 0 since w.u = 0 (orthogonal)
w . bv = 0 since w . v = 0 (orthogonal)
so then 0 = 0

right?
 

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