What is the partial pressure of co2(product) given the v,t of 2 reacta

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the partial pressure of carbon dioxide (CO2) produced from the combustion of propane (C3H8) and oxygen (O2) in a closed container. Participants explore the stoichiometry of the reaction, the ideal gas law, and the implications of water formation during the reaction, while maintaining a constant temperature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the reaction formula for the combustion of propane, indicating that 1 mole of C3H8 reacts with 5 moles of O2 to produce 3 moles of CO2 and 4 moles of H2O.
  • Another participant confirms the calculated moles of O2 and C3H8 and suggests using stoichiometry to determine the moles of CO2 produced.
  • There is a discussion about whether water formed in the reaction contributes to the total pressure, with some participants asserting it does not affect the calculation of CO2's partial pressure.
  • One participant calculates the moles of CO2 produced from the combustion of 0.006 moles of C3H8, arriving at 0.018 moles of CO2.
  • Another participant suggests that the partial pressure of CO2 should be three times the initial pressure of propane, referencing Avogadro's hypothesis.
  • Concerns are raised about the application of the ideal gas law to water, which is in liquid form at the given temperature, and its relevance to the calculation.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of their calculations, with one participant arriving at a value of 0.288 atm for CO2's partial pressure and questioning its correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the stoichiometric relationships in the reaction and the importance of considering the state of water. However, there is no consensus on the exact value of the partial pressure of CO2, with differing interpretations of the calculations and the role of water in the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the ideal gas law may not apply to water in its liquid state, which could affect the total pressure calculations. There is also ambiguity regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of gases and the contributions of different species to the overall pressure.

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Homework Statement



Hi

In a container of 1.5L there are 2 gases O2 and C3H8.
their partial pressures are O2 = 5atm, C3H8=0.1atm.
the temperature is 20C.
the reaction produces H2O and CO2.
Temperature is constant.

What is the partial pressure of CO2 after the reaction? (need to find the reaction formula)
(please show calculations)
Thanks!

Homework Equations


C3H8 + 5O2 --> 3CO2 + 4H2O


The Attempt at a Solution


Have found the moles of O2 (0.312) and moles of C3H8 (0.006) are these correct?, from that I assume I need to use Stoichiometry to find the moles of CO2 and from that to use PV=nRT to find the pressure of CO2.
But I can't figure it out.
Please help, Thanks!
 
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ryu1 said:
Have found the moles of O2 (0.312) and moles of C3H8 (0.006) are these correct?, from that I assume I need to use Stoichiometry to find the moles of CO2 and from that to use PV=nRT to find the pressure of CO2.
But I can't figure it out.

You have got the right values of number moles of O2 and C3H8 and the right idea to tackle the problem.

Start by finding out how many moles of O2 will be consumed in the reaction if all of C3H8 is burnt. Then if 1 mole of C3H8 gives 3 moles of CO2 then how much does 0.006 mole give?

Be careful while dealing with the water formed in the reaction. Think whether it will contribute to the total pressure after the reaction.
 
Sunil Simha said:
You have got the right values of number moles of O2 and C3H8 and the right idea to tackle the problem.

Start by finding out how many moles of O2 will be consumed in the reaction if all of C3H8 is burnt. Then if 1 mole of C3H8 gives 3 moles of CO2 then how much does 0.006 mole give?

Be careful while dealing with the water formed in the reaction. Think whether it will contribute to the total pressure after the reaction.


I think that if all C3H8 is consumed than according to the equation, 5 times that O2 will be consumed? (so it's 0.03 moles?)

If 1 mole of C3H8 gives 3 moles of CO2 then I do
3/1 * 0.006 = 0.018 moles ? (=3 times the number)

will it be correct to use the ideal gas law now?
P= (0.018mol*(0.082L*atm * K^-1 * mol^-1 )* 293.15K) / 1.5L

I don't see how water fits in.
Also I don't understand how people in Yahoo answers just figured out that the partial pressure is 0.3 atm for CO2 (just because for 1 C3H8 we get 3CO2 ?)

Thanks!
 
ryu1 said:
I don't see how water fits in.

It doesn't, as question doesn't ask about it - only about partial pressure of CO2. But in other problems it can be important - think, what form water takes at 20 °C?
Also I don't understand how people in Yahoo answers just figured out that the partial pressure is 0.3 atm for CO2 (just because for 1 C3H8 we get 3CO2 ?)

As there are 3 moles of CO2 produced for each mole of the hydrocarbon, partial pressure of CO2 after reaction went to completion must be three times higher than the initial pressure of hydrocarbon. No need for any more elaborate calculations. No magic, just a direct application of Avogadro's hypothesis.
 
Borek said:
It doesn't, as question doesn't ask about it - only about partial pressure of CO2. But in other problems it can be important - think, what form water takes at 20 °C?




As there are 3 moles of CO2 produced for each mole of the hydrocarbon, partial pressure of CO2 after reaction went to completion must be three times higher than the initial pressure of hydrocarbon. No need for any more elaborate calculations. No magic, just a direct application of Avogadro's hypothesis.

Water takes the form of liquid so it's important because then I can't apply the Ideal gas law to it?

from the calculation I wrote I got 0.288 , it's almost 0.3, it is wrong?
If a reactant (gases) to product mole ratio is for example 1:6 so always the partial pressure of the product is 6 times the pressure of the reactant? (only in gases?)

Thanks.
 
ryu1 said:
Water takes the form of liquid so it's important because then I can't apply the Ideal gas law to it?

yes. It doesn't count as a gas.

from the calculation I wrote I got 0.288 , it's almost 0.3, it is wrong?

No idea how you got this result, so it is hard to comment. But it should be 0.3, not any other number.

If a reactant (gases) to product mole ratio is for example 1:6 so always the partial pressure of the product is 6 times the pressure of the reactant? (only in gases?)

Yes, but remember we are assuming constant volume.
 

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