Find out the molar fractions of all the involved gases

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The discussion revolves around a chemistry problem involving the combustion of graphite in the presence of oxygen, leading to the formation of carbon monoxide (CO) and carbon dioxide (CO2). Participants explore the calculation of molar fractions of the gases produced after the reaction, considering the stoichiometry of the reactions and the changes in pressure within a closed system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the chemical equation for the combustion of graphite and calculates the moles of CO and CO2 produced based on the limiting reactant, graphite.
  • Another participant suggests that there are two parallel reactions occurring, leading to different products from the same reactants, and introduces a variable (x) to represent the moles of graphite converting to CO2.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations, particularly regarding the use of Dalton's law and the need for pressure values.
  • One participant reflects on the importance of writing separate chemical equations for multiple reactions occurring simultaneously, seeking advice on best practices for similar problems in the future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, as there are multiple perspectives on how to handle the reactions and the calculations involved. Some express uncertainty about the necessity of certain values, while others focus on the stoichiometric relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of how to apply Dalton's law without specific pressure or temperature values, and there is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by multiple reactions.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying chemical reactions, particularly those involving stoichiometry and gas laws, as well as those interested in problem-solving strategies for chemistry homework.

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Homework Statement


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5,00 moles of graphite and 5,00 moles of oxygen gas are stored in a metal bottle. The temperature is raised until the graphite starts burning. The burning produces a mixture of CO and CO2 gases in the vessel. After the temperature had returned to it's original value (after the reaction), the pressure inside the bottle had increased by 17%. Find out the molar fractions of each of the gases inside the bottle when all of the graphite is used up in the reaction.

Correct answers: xO2 = 0,145; xCO = 0,291; xCO2 = 0,564

Homework Equations



xi = pi/ptotal = ni/ntotal, where x = molar fraction.

Dalton's law: Sum(pi) = ptotal

pV = nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



I started out by forming the chemical equation:

3C + 2O2 -> 2CO + CO2

From this I calculated that nCO = (2/3)nC = 10/3 mol and nCO2 = (1/3)nC = 5/3 mol ( since we know that C is the limiting reactant). We can also see that the amount of used up oxygen is nO2 = nCO = 10/3 mol, so the amount oxygen gas remaining in the bottle after the reaction is nO2g = 5mol - nO2 = 5/3 mol, so the total amount of gas in the bottle (after the reaction) would be 20/3mol.

Next I assumed that the volume of C is negligible, so V is constant. T is also constant between the initial and final stages.This means that:

V0 = V1 <=> n0/p0 = n1/p1
= n1/1,17p0 (From pV = nRT).

=> n1gas = 1,17n0gas = 1,17 * 5 mol = 5,85 mol. However, the value of n1gas does not equal the total amount of moles I got from adding up the individual amounts of the different gases, and I'm not sure what to do next. I don't see how I could use Dalton's law to my advantage here, since i can't actually calculate the pressures because I know nothing about the temperature or the volume of the bottle.

Can anybody point me in the right direction? I am aware that I might not even need the actual values of the pressures or moles since I'm supposed to find the percentages, but I just don't know how to proceed.
 
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There are 2 reactions occurring in parallel:

##C + O_2 ⇒ CO_2##
##C+\frac{1}{2}O_2⇒CO##

If x moles of C convert by the first reaction, then 5-x moles of C convert by the second reaction.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
There are 2 reactions occurring in parallel:

##C + O_2 ⇒ CO_2##
##C+\frac{1}{2}O_2⇒CO##

If x moles of C convert by the first reaction, then 5-x moles of C convert by the second reaction.

Chet
Alright, I'm going to try this after I'm done cooking (and eating) dinner. I'll report back when I'm done/if I get stuck again.
 
Chestermiller said:
There are 2 reactions occurring in parallel:

##C + O_2 ⇒ CO_2##
##C+\frac{1}{2}O_2⇒CO##

If x moles of C convert by the first reaction, then 5-x moles of C convert by the second reaction.

Chet

Alright, I'm back!
Turns out I was more tired than I though since I passed out in bed right after dinner so I couldn't get back to the problem before this morning. Anyways, your hint helped and I got the right answer, so thank you for that.

For future reference, should I always, always, always write separate chemical equations if I know that there are multiple reactions going on at the same time, even if they are drawing from the same pool of chemical(s) like C and O2 in this problem?
 
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TheSodesa said:
Alright, I'm back!
Turns out I was more tired than I though since I passed out in bed right after dinner so I couldn't get back to the problem before this morning. Anyways, your hint helped and I got the right answer, so thank you for that.

For future reference, should I always, always, always write separate chemical equations if I know that there are multiple reactions going on at the same time, even if they are drawing from the same pool of chemical(s) like C and O2 in this problem?
I hate to answer "always" questions. Partly, it depends on the context of the problem statement. I would just use my judgement on the specific problem.
 
Chestermiller said:
I hate to answer "always" questions. Partly, it depends on the context of the problem statement. I would just use my judgement on the specific problem.

Got it. Thanks for the help.
 

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