What is the pdf of multiplication of two random variables?

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The discussion centers on the probability density function (pdf) of the product of two independent random variables, X and Y, and how it relates to their individual pdfs, f(x) and f(y). Participants explore the mathematical relationship and methods for deriving the resulting pdf, f(z), where Z = X * Y.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the pdf of the product of two random variables can be expressed as f(z) = f(x) * f(y), interpreting "*" as convolution.
  • Another participant clarifies that convolution applies to the sum of two variables, not their product, and provides a double integral approach to derive f(z) based on the relationship between X and Y.
  • A later reply reiterates the double integral method and emphasizes the need for careful consideration of integration limits to derive a more direct expression for f(z).
  • One participant explicitly states that the multiplication of two random variables does not result in a pdf that is the convolution of their individual pdfs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the relationship between the multiplication of random variables and convolution. While some propose a convolution-like relationship, others argue against it, leading to an unresolved discussion on the correct approach to derive f(z).

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of integration limits in the double integral approach and the distinction between convolution for sums versus products, indicating potential limitations in understanding the mathematical framework involved.

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We have two independent random variables X and Y whose pdfs are given as f(x) and f(y). Now when you multiply X and Y you get a random variable say Z. Now what is the resulting pdf f(z)?

I mean how is that related to the pdf of f(x) and f(y)?

From what I read it looks like

f(z)=f(x) * f(y)

where "*" represents convolution.

But I couldn't find how you get that.
Thanks a lot :)
 
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Convolution is the operation for the sum of two variables.

You can get fz via a double integral
$$P(z<Z)=\iint_{x'y'=z} dx' dy' f_x(x') f_y(y')$$ where the integration limit is a hyperbola.
You can split this into two parts with explicit integration limits like that:

$$P(z<Z)=\int_{-\infty}^0 dx' f_x(x') \int_{z/x'}^\infty dy' f_y(y') + \int_0^\infty dx' f_x(x') \int_{-\infty}^{z/x'} dy' f_y(y')$$

fz is the derivative of that.
 
mfb said:
Convolution is the operation for the sum of two variables.

You can get fz via a double integral
$$P(z<Z)=\iint_{x'y'=z} dx' dy' f_x(x') f_y(y')$$ where the integration limit is a hyperbola.
You can split this into two parts with explicit integration limits like that:

$$P(z<Z)=\int_{-\infty}^0 dx' f_x(x') \int_{z/x'}^\infty dy' f_y(y') + \int_0^\infty dx' f_x(x') \int_{-\infty}^{z/x'} dy' f_y(y')$$

fz is the derivative of that.

I know the meaning of convolution but what I would like to know is how multiplication of 2 random variables results in a pdf which is the convolution of the two pdfs.

That's what I would like to know.

Thanks a lot :)
 
It does not.
But I gave one way to calculate the function in my post. You can even derive the whole equation (careful with the limits) to get a more direct expression for f(z).
 

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