What is the physical significance of <x'|x> in quantum mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the physical significance of the inner product in quantum mechanics, particularly its interpretation and relation to transition amplitudes and propagators. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical representations, and conceptual understandings of these quantum states.

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  • Some participants propose that represents the inner product of two unnormalized position states with the value ##\delta(x'-x)##, questioning its interpretation as a transition amplitude.
  • Others argue that while is a propagator with a physical interpretation, does not naturally fit this role.
  • A participant suggests that could be viewed as a propagator with H=0, raising questions about its physical meaning, particularly in relation to virtual particles.
  • Some participants emphasize that the propagators used in quantum mechanics typically involve momentum states rather than position states, as momentum states can be prepared experimentally.
  • There is a discussion about the path integral formulation and its reliance on the inner product , with questions about the nature of the intermediate states involved.
  • One participant challenges the interpretation of certain integrals as representing virtual particles, suggesting they are sums over histories instead.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative interpretation of the path integral involving energy transfer between stationary "virtual particles," advocating for a deeper mathematical understanding of these concepts.

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Participants express a range of views on the interpretation of and its relation to transition amplitudes and propagators. There is no consensus on its physical significance, with multiple competing interpretations and ongoing debate about the nature of virtual particles and the path integral formulation.

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Participants note limitations in the interpretations of inner products and the necessity of context in understanding their physical meanings. There are unresolved questions regarding the mathematical steps and assumptions underlying these discussions.

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vanhees71 said:
Well, let's do the calculation
Thank you, vanhees71. But I don't know what question you were trying to answer.
 
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I thought there were doubts about the correct expression for the free-particle propagator of a Schrödinger particle in the position representation. So I finally gave the derivation, I told you to do yourself for quite some time...
 
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friend said:
I've tried to do a Fourier Xform the old fashion way, and I get pretty much the same think you got except for factors of 2π and a minus sign in the exponent. The difference seems to be that you do not use the 2π in your definition of the Fourier Xform. And you do not use the minus sign in the exponent in the second Fourier Xform. Could you please tell me why you seem to be defining your Fourier transforms differently than what I see in wikipedia.org? Thanks.

In the second FT to get &lt; p|U(t)|{p^\prime } &gt;, I need to have a minus sign in the exponent of the definition of the FT as usual. I need to integrate against e^{ - i2\pi k&#039;x&#039;}. But in the process to get &lt; p|U(t)|{x^\prime } &gt; of the first FT, we calculated F(k) = e^{-ik x&#039; -i \frac{k^2}{2m} t}. However, I need the exponent here to have a positive i2\pi kx&#039; (Here I include the 2\pi). Then I can get the difference of - i2\pi (k - k&#039;)x&#039; in the exponent of the integrand that will enable me to get the \delta (k - k&#039;) term in the second FT. So I have to consider ways to turn the F(k) = e^{-ik x&#039; -i \frac{k^2}{2m} t} into F(k) = e^{ik x&#039; +i \frac{k^2}{2m} t}, at least temporarily.

To that end, I wonder if I have to take the complex conjugate of &lt; p|U(t)|{x^\prime } &gt; before applying the second FT, and then afterwards I conjugate the result? Why would I do that? We had &lt; x|U(t)|{x^\prime } &gt;, with the x on the left and the x' on the right before taking the first FT wrt x. This is consistent with &lt; x|\psi &gt; = \psi (x) being a function of x. So to be consistent with this notation, maybe I need to work with &lt; x&#039;|U(t)|p &gt; when taking the second FT wrt x'. I can always conjugate the end result to get &lt; p|U(t)|{p^\prime } &gt;.
 
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If you have \langle x | U(t) | x&#039; \rangle, then you can compute \langle p| U(t)|p&#039;\rangle as follows:

\langle p |U(t) |p&#039; \rangle = \int dx \int dx&#039; \langle p|x \rangle \langle x|U(t)|x&#039;\rangle \langle x&#039;|p&#039;\rangle

where \langle x&#039; | p&#039; \rangle = \sqrt{\frac{1}{2\pi}} e^{i p&#039; x&#039;} and \langle p|x \rangle = (\langle x | p \rangle)^* = \sqrt{\frac{1}{2\pi}} e^{-i p x}
(again, letting \hbar = 1 for simplicity).

I wrote the complete derivation, but it's very long, so I deleted it. The result is:

\langle p |U(t) |p&#039; \rangle = e^{-i \frac{p^2}{2mt}} \delta(p&#039;-p)
 
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stevendaryl said:
If you have \langle x | U(t) | x&#039; \rangle, then you can compute \langle p| U(t)|p&#039;\rangle as follows:

\langle p |U(t) |p&#039; \rangle = \int dx \int dx&#039; \langle p|x \rangle \langle x|U(t)|x&#039;\rangle \langle x&#039;|p&#039;\rangle

where \langle x&#039; | p&#039; \rangle = \sqrt{\frac{1}{2\pi}} e^{i p&#039; x&#039;} and \langle p|x \rangle = (\langle x | p \rangle)^* = \sqrt{\frac{1}{2\pi}} e^{-i p x}
(again, letting \hbar = 1 for simplicity).

I wrote the complete derivation, but it's very long, so I deleted it. The result is:

\langle p |U(t) |p&#039; \rangle = e^{-i \frac{p^2}{2mt}} \delta(p&#039;-p)

That's great. Thank you. Perhaps you could send me a Private Message with the details (I assumed you saved it since it was a lot of work). Or maybe you could give a word description of your procedure with any tricks you had to use? I could probably figure it out for myself since I've been completing the square lately anyway. But just to be clear what were you using for \langle x | U(t) | x&#039; \rangle ? Thanks.PS. Why does it take so long to load these math heavy pages? It's taking my computer 2 minutes to load and the fan start huffing and buffing during that time. Is there anything I can do to speed things up, download something that makes this process faster?
 

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